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Old Mar 25, 2006 | 12:06 PM
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Question is, If I get that cam is a stall manditory? i mean will it hurt anyhting if I dont get a stall or i just wont make as much power as I would with the stall?
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Old Mar 25, 2006 | 12:10 PM
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it isnt mandatory, your car will still run fine.... and you will prolly get better hp numbers due to less slippage with the stock converter... but your track times will be less since you cant launch but at like ~1700 rpms instead ot 2.5K +

btw nice track times and hp number
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i hate the way stalls sound.. how they wind up and all.. So id rather just not put one in and consider m6 swap later down the road.. thanks for the info bro.
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yeah it makes me a little nervous too... having to rev so high so many times when i drive around in the city... but never the less i still am going to a get one.......one of these days when i have lots of money for a yank
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Old Mar 25, 2006 | 12:38 PM
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Im just not a fan of the auto... but i was to anxiouse to get me an f-body.. But i love my car no doubts about that. But looks like i got a cam here in the near future thanks to my new credit card woo!
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Old Mar 25, 2006 | 04:25 PM
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Originally Posted by 00cls1camaross
yeah it makes me a little nervous too... having to rev so high so many times when i drive around in the city... but never the less i still am going to a get one.......one of these days when i have lots of money for a yank

stalls rev higher than stock, but nothing like you make it sound like.
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Old Mar 25, 2006 | 04:53 PM
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stalls rev higher than stock, but nothing like you make it sound like.

Exactly, I drive with a 3800 stall everyday and i never go over 2k rpm just getting up to speed, and after 45-50 mph the converter locks up anyway.
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Old Mar 25, 2006 | 06:18 PM
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you are leaving alot of performance on the table by not stalling it.
race a likewise modded car with a stall, hes gonna butt rape you bad.
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Old Mar 25, 2006 | 06:24 PM
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Hey buddy, Iam actually doing the same thing. Just got a better rear, got the 342's and now am saving for the cam. From what I'm told I will just need new springs and I'm set.

Stock stall plus the gears and the cam would be nice

Also, my track times were 12.72 @ 110.3 with the same mods you have at 341/354

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273's suck too btw
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Originally Posted by 02White6.0
Exactly, I drive with a 3800 stall everyday and i never go over 2k rpm just getting up to speed, and after 45-50 mph the converter locks up anyway.

i see so then when you have a stall converter what happens when you just drive normally
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From experience I wouldnt do the 224 w/a stock stall, I did it for a year and hated it. 1. You cant get into the powerband of the cam at a launch, and mine has timing ground into it so it makes more power at lower RPM's and i still couldnt hit it. 2. You must let the car fine idle and be semi warm before putting it in gear or it will die because the converter is too tight. 3. Its harder on your brakes since when you are trying to brake the converter isnt loose enough and since the idle is raised to increase drivablity the car moves foward considerabley more at a stop and when trying to stop. 5. It is a pain to drive, and your track times will barely improve.

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i see so then when you have a stall converter what happens when you just drive normally
It revs up slightly higher, but not to like 5k. I have a 3500 stall and i dont ever go above 2500 rpms with normal driving, and i'll barely hit 3k if i'm passing someone or something, and it locks up at 47 and doesnt unlock til i decelrate to 43 so city driving is nothing.
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Originally Posted by z28C4maro82z
Hey buddy, Iam actually doing the same thing. Just got a better rear, got the 342's and now am saving for the cam. From what I'm told I will just need new springs and I'm set.

Stock stall plus the gears and the cam would be nice

Also, my track times were 12.72 @ 110.3 with the same mods you have at 341/354

Autos with good times for the win

273's suck too btw
wow same exact mods? is that with a tune? your making more power than i am.
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Old Mar 26, 2006 | 01:33 PM
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The reason you dont like the a4 = you dont have a stall... I considered doing an M6 swap too, but I would strongly recommend a converter... a big one...
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Originally Posted by 01ls1lover
wow same exact mods? is that with a tune? your making more power than i am.
A flash tune is what I have. A buddy threw his tune in from when he had the same mods I have. There could be more to get out of it. But def have a strong running car
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yeah i just rode in an A4 with a yank 4000 stall and we were cruising around and he didnt go over 2.5k... they really dont make the car that undrive-able... i assumed you were revving to like 3000+ just on like pulling out of the parking lot....
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Old Mar 26, 2006 | 07:33 PM
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get a stall brah!youll love it.going up to a 4000SS yank soon.
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Does a stall help at all for downshifting on the tranny? or is only good for launching.. And what do you guys mean when you say the stall *locks up*
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converters put you in your powerband..There are no "dead spots" when you punch it from most speeds..All converters lock up but with a significant stall you feel it much more..If my 3800 stall doesn't "Lock Up" by 60mph, When you step on the gas the car revs like it's in neutral(or trans is slipping) a little bit because of the loose converter..make sense?
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When the two halves of the torque converter (the half connected to the flywheel and the half connected to the trans)get up to speed (~45+mph), a clutch locks them together, eliminating the slippage and improving efficiency.
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