</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by V6 Bird:
<strong>I have had both and i went back to my Vig. My Yank just didn't cut the trick for me. I lost MPH BAD and i cut the same ET as i normally did with my Vig. Yanks out of the car and the 3600 Triple disk is going back in. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" /> A PI triple disk setup is more efficient than the normal single disk clutch setup most people buy. Spend the extra 300 bucks and get a good one the first time. You won't regret it.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">This triple disc #7 sounds interesting. Do any of the sponsors carry it? Could I buy a used Vig of a different stall and send it to them to be upgraded to a triple disc #7? Thanks a lot....I am very interested in getting this one now....a Vig thats as efficient or more efficient than a Yank. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" />

 

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by quickWS6:
<strong>Okay, so it is accepted that the TP4400 will out E.T. the Vig3600. But at what cost in drivability? I would like to get the best gain without losing drivability. For the people who have switched between them...how much difference is there in looseness?</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I have raced both, ridden in both and street raced in both... I honestly dont see the difference in street manners. Both of them are loose.

I dont see a difference in street manners... but I do see a difference in E.T.'s, there is a reason all those at the top of the E.T. lists use a Yank...they work. A good many of us used to use a Vig. Heck most of us. Why did we switch? just look at the numbers.... just look at the numbers.

For the average joe, the Vig is a kick *** converter, they perform well and are money well spent. But, they arent the best. If your looking to get all you can out of your car, to push the car to it's N'th potential, you get the best parts for it. The track has proven, to me at least.... that the best would be a Yank.

You could make excuses all day long about why the vig finishes second, weight, traction, altitude, weather, blah, blah, blah... but that doesnt change the fact that the HUGE majority of the fastest LS1's, use a Yank. This is even after PI had a couple of years head start on Yank. Even after Vig had an established clientel.

PI verters are the second best out there.

If I wasnt using a Yank, I would be using a Vig. In LS1's, those two converters have more than proven themselves over the TCI's, the Coans, the wanna be's, and has been's.

I take nothing away from PI, they make kick *** converters. I love them and recommend them often to folks. I loved my PI2800 for what it was. But times change and parts evolve. Yank evolved into a better verter' than the Vig and thats why the fastest of the fast use them. They are the best.

Raughammer
1.381 60's, 125mph, 346c.i./N/A

 

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by JS:
I agree most cars run a Yank and thats fact.
</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Well, see there JS, I would dissagree with that comment. I still think most folks run a Vig, or at least the numbers of users (Yank vs Vig) are very close. I would agree with you if you had said most of the FAST folks run a Yank. (As compared to other converters) <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" />

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">
But u dont see alot of 1.4's unless there strokers.How many 346CI H/C cars r running 1.4's? I did it with a Vig 4200 as did Cartek Dave.Who else has gone 1.4's with a N/A 346?I know ther's a few more,Onyx,Janzter etc...
</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">So whats the point? I'm cracking off 1.3's and 1.40's. I have do not have a stroker. (Sure wish I did)
I'm still waiting on that 1.3 60' with a Vigilante. JS...I can't speak as to why some folks are not running quicker with either converter. I CAN tell you the Yanks have the best MPH, the best 60's and the lowest E.T. as far as our cars are concerned. (Comparing apples to apples)

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Come my Texan buddy give us the low down
U ran pretty well with the LITTLE TEENY 2800 back in the day.Give the Vig its due.Its a good verter too.
</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">It was and is an EXCELLENT converter...I have great respect for the smaller PI converters.

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Guys I TESTED the 3600 VS 4400. On a stock motored car running 12.00 it was worth 1/2 tenth TOPS and 1MPH.I was dissapointed after spending 300 more dollars.
</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">JS,I dont know your set up or what all was going on the with the car. I dont know what all you did in testing to determine the optimal tire pressure-launch RPM-Tire temp, etc. Who knows why you didnt improve more. Traction, tuning, weather, who knows... one thing you said though. You DID go quicker switching to a Yank! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" />

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But when I went to H/C the YANK really showed its stuff. It 60ft'd better and more consistantly plus I had more mph than my 3600.
</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Eh? you tested both with heads/cam? I know I had to drastically alter my track driving after I went to heads/cam with my TP4400. Once I found out what the verter liked...it has more than proven it's worth. 125 mph through a 4L60E and a loose TP4400 is pretty efficient in my book.
Are there any Vig's running 125mph in a 346...N/A?

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John,can u answer any onfo on the fact that the Yanks sometimes r not clearance right.Thank god for my buddies machine shop.We had to remove .040 off the pads just to make sure the was .125 clearance.In most converter boxes it sez in the instructions u need a 1/8 to 1/4 reccommended. And this thing was only at .055.
</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">No, no more than I can answer why the big Vig's have such a tendency to unlock on the free way. No verter manufacturer is perfect all the time. Yours is the only one I have ever heard of with that prob. JS.

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I just hope I dont get the results u did John and go slower with the UT?I know there were other factors with your car but yourself said the UT didnt perform like the TP. Mike insisted my car will LOVE the UT4600 and I took his word for it. We'll see?
</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I dont know, I dont rev my motors very high JS. I think that was the prob. I only shift at 6600 or so and that is kind of low for the Ultra Thruster. Also I had the very fist UT, and maybe Mike has done something different than when I ran my "virgin" verter? Good luck with what ever you do...
Hey, if the Yank does not do you right, change verters.. thats what I would do. Go with what works.
For me? This Yank KICKS ***.

Thats why I use it.

John Campbell

<small>[ May 22, 2002, 03:22 PM: Message edited by: Raughammer ]</small>

 

John I know for a fact that I'm NOT the only one with the clearance issues.Its happened to others too.But thats not even a big deal if u take the time to check the parts u install.The Yank is working flawlessly.

I totally agree with your observation though.
The Yank is the better of the 2.

But the fact is for me....
I tested the 2 verters a LONG time ago.The results were done in almost the same DA's.
Results were 1/2 a tenth and 1 MPH better for the Yank.

FWIW I'm like u John.I want the very best parts I can afford and thats why I have a Yank.I want the extra 1/2 to 1 tenth and 1 to 2 mph extra the Yank gives u.So if u guys are wanting the very best then John is correct,Yank is the best.

John I can always have the UT4600 brought down to a TP 4400 IF I find it too loose.I shift at 6800 and wanna run threw the lights at 7000
I feel the UT might be the best choice for me
Will see,my cow wresting buddy. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" />

JS

 

I HAD the UT4600 sent to me to run for the bolt on record. I tried it and it didn't work like he claimed. I sent it back to Yank to have it restlled to what i originally wanted (pt4400E) and i will sell it to anyone that has 950 cash shipped. This converter will be brand new. I have gone back to a PI converter. Why? Its what worked for me. I could barely muster a 1.6 60 out of the big yank. I tried stalling the verter anyhwere from 1k-4k and the higher i stalled the harder i 60 footed but my mph sucked *****. I lost 5 mph with the UT4600. I ran a PI 3200 before that and went a best of 11.7 @ 114 on the stock tuning. I couldn't even get close to that ET with a big Yank.(12.23@109) <img border="0" title="" alt="[Sad]" src="gr_sad.gif" /> Maybe its my experience but im sticking with what worked for me. Its a PI. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" /> It will be the 3600 lucky #7 triple disk.

BTW, My 3200 converter in my 98 car went 1.4 60's. i wished i had the suspension setup i have on my 01 car on the 98. It would have 60 footed closer to the low 1.4's maybe high 1.3's. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" /> I will put the Vig's back in the running of the bolt on record. Hide and watch!

Arlington Motorsports A4 Bolt-On car

Mike

 

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by JS:
<strong>
But u dont see alot of 1.4's unless there strokers.How many 346CI H/C cars r running 1.4's? I did it with a Vig 4200 as did Cartek Dave.Who else has gone 1.4's with a N/A 346?I know ther's a few more,Onyx,Janzter etc...
</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">1.44s all day long with my stock bottem end, H&C, 3650 raceweight. It doesn't take a stroker to 60', just a liitle horsepower, good converter, and great traction.

 

I'd like to see Trevor's reply on this thread, since he just made the switch.

 

Paul I'm not saying it cant be done but most 346 cars r NOT 60ft better than LOW 1.5's.There's only a hand full of guys getting better.Maybe 5 to 10 guys in the whole Country.

Paul your not running one of your 224 cams..Your running a BIG SOLID ROLLER.That might account for some of that 1.44?

Bottem line is the YANK is better.
We all can agree on that.

 

Mike - FWIW, you can currently buy a new Yank PT4400 for $855 shipped to ya. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" />

 

I appreciate the response but this converter is an Extreme version which is 995 new on his site. That is why i said 950 Shipped new converter. If he is running a GP then i will wait till its over then put it up for sale when i actually have the converter back in my hands <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" />

 

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by JS:
<strong>
Paul your not running one of your 224 cams..Your running a BIG SOLID ROLLER.That might account for some of that 1.44?

Bottem line is the YANK is better.
We all can agree on that.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Sorry JS but I'd have to disagree with you. I'm running a very small solid roller cam. The spec are 229/229 612/612 112lsa. Once you account for valve lash with the solid roller my cam is more comparable to the TR220 cam. Chris98SS made the same power as me with a TR224 cam. 60's are not all about power, it has more to due with a good matched torque converter and making the car totally hook. My car doesn't spin an inch.

I do agree with you that when it comes to an all out race converter the Yank race converters do rule. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" />

Paul

 

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Hmmm,
Fastest converter in a stock displacement LS1 car?
I'm sure that there'll be some BS flags on this one, but here goes.

Amy Faulk 2001 WS6 TransAm
346 + slight overbore
Stock unported LS1 Heads with competition valve job
Big Cam
Forged Duplicates of stock pistons
Headers
FAST ECU
TCI trans
TCI converter
3350 lbs raceweight
10.40 @ 128 w/ a 1.31 60'
<img border="0" title="" alt="[Eek!]" src="gr_eek2.gif" />
Later,
Kevin

 

Ragtop,
I forgot to mention that was w/o a transbrake and only little ol' 9" slicks.

You win the prize. It's a S/E car. Pretty impressive, nonetheless.
Kevin

 

I've had a Vig 2800, 3200, 3600, and 4000, so I'll give my thoughts. I had the Vig 3600 in my T/A for a few months before I sold it, and I only made it to the track once. That one time I broke the spider gears and transmission, so it wasn't a good judge of what the converter could do. Does the PT4400 feel looser than the Vig 3600? Yes, it does feel a little looser, but the performance is night and day. The Vig converters have always seemed to hit pretty hard, but they've never had the top-end charge. As an example, last September at the NFRA race Kristi had a ST3500 in her '02 convertible T/A. Her other mods consisted of a Whisper catback and TransGo shift kit. She was running 12.80's at 104-105 all day. I had headers/y-pipe without cats, 3.5" Mufflex, Vig 3200, and an MTI lid, and my best ET of the day was a 12.70 @ 106. I weighed in at 3,640#, and she tipped the scales at over 3,700#! Our 60' times were identical all day in the 1.77 and 1.78 range. No, this is not the converters that have been mentioned, but it does give a good idea since the Vig 3200 really flashes 3,800 (at least in my car it did).
The PT4400 is insane in top-end charge. I know you can't compare different setups, but the best my T/A ever MPH'ed was 120.8. This was with the TH350 and Yank PT4600. I put the 4L60E back in with a Vig 3600, and the MPH was at 118.5. Sure, it's two different days with two different setups, so take that for what it's worth. I've ridden in other cars w/ stock internals that have a Vig 3600, and they don't pull as well as my PT4400 did when I had stock internals. I had the opportunity to send my Vig 3200 back to P.I. to have it restalled to a #7 pump vs. getting the PT4400. I chose not to because I knew that the PT4400 would out-perform it. I personally didn't want anything looser than my #6 Vig because I knew the inefficiency of the larger P.I. converters. My 4000 lost 38 RWHP locked vs. locked, and the best it would MPH was 117.5 with it locked! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Eek!]" src="gr_eek2.gif" /> The car tipped the scales at 3,640#, dynoed 396 RWHP unlocked and 434 RWHP locked, and ran an 11.38 with a 1.53 short time. The converter did hit hard, but after that it fell on its face. If you look at any Vig dyno, you'll see the infamous flat spot when it's unlocked from 4k on up. The HP literally flatlines and then starts to pick up again past 5k. I have seen this on EVERY Vig converter that I've had. With the Vig 4000, I actually LOST a few HP just before 5,500 before it started to climb again. Check out Yank's website, and take a look at any Vig converter. Even the efficient 2800 has it. With the Vig 3200 and 3.23's in my SS, I was dropping to 4,600 on the shifts, right in the middle of this flat spot. With the 3.73's, it was up to 5,000 on the shifts which is definitely better, but it's just starting to climb back up at that point. None of my dyno graphs show that with the Yank converter, whether it's my SS w/ the PT4400 or my T/A way back when with the SY3500, SY4000, etc. I've tried a few converters, and I know what's working best for me.
Am I saying that the Vig converters aren't good? NO WAY! Hell, I'm one of the big advocates for the Vig 3200! I still think that it's a great street/strip converter that shows a nice gain at the track while keeping excellent street manners. I do think that Yank is making a better converter, though. I've tried 4 Vig converters, and I'm on my 5th Yank. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" /> To say that I've been a converter ***** over the years is an understatement!

 

Paul u know I like u alot and love doing business with u.For god sakes Geoff helped me out on the PS Pontiac T&D rockers I needed big time.

But for u to come in here and say your solid makes no more power than your TR 224 is rediculous.Your saying the solid gives u no advantage in the HP/TQ/ET/60FT?

I dont think people on here r that stupid buddy
U run a SOLID because its better PERIOD.

I also did some peeking,theres less than 10 346 N/A cars running 1.4 let alone 1.3 with any companies converters.

JS

 

i ordered a yank last year. it took over two months to get it when he said it should send out in a couple DAYS. i dont like the way he runs his business at all.

i put a vig 3200 in the car meanwhile and look at the numbers below. best before the converter was 12.69.

the same setup i went 11.9s and drop my 60' from 1.8s to 1.5s. youre gonna have a hard time convincing me to switch. Im sure yanks are great converters, but like i said, i dont like the way he runs the company.

and you keep saying all the top cars have yanks. im just wondering how many of them were a) top before yanks and just stayed there b) have better parts out NOW, which is letting the car make more power in general.

 

Kevin:

Very impressive but it sounds like a stock eliminator. That MPH indicates there must be some serious HP and I'm guessing a lot of gear. Is that car a daily driver or trailor queen?

 

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by JS:
<strong>Paul u know I like u alot and love doing business with u.For god sakes Geoff helped me out on the PS Pontiac T&D rockers I needed big time.

But for u to come in here and say your solid makes no more power than your TR 224 is rediculous.Your saying the solid gives u no advantage in the HP/TQ/ET/60FT?

I dont think people on here r that stupid buddy
U run a SOLID because its better PERIOD.

I also did some peeking,theres less than 10 346 N/A cars running 1.4 let alone 1.3 with any companies converters.

JS</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Not everyone posts there times bro.You would be very surprised at how many hardcore ls1 owners that I know that dont use a keyboard. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" />

 

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by JS:
<strong>Paul u know I like u alot and love doing business with u.For god sakes Geoff helped me out on the PS Pontiac T&D rockers I needed big time.

But for u to come in here and say your solid makes no more power than your TR 224 is rediculous.Your saying the solid gives u no advantage in the HP/TQ/ET/60FT?

I dont think people on here r that stupid buddy
U run a SOLID because its better PERIOD.

I also did some peeking,theres less than 10 346 N/A cars running 1.4 let alone 1.3 with any companies converters.

JS</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">JS I'm not picking a fight with you. I'm just saying you don't need a ton of horsepower to 60' well.

As far as my solid roller set-up goes I really don't have a big enough cam to see the true benefits of it. Chris98SS made a couple more horsepower then me with a TR224 and 5.3 heads. I'm sticking with the solid roller set-up but there are some definite changes in the works. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" />

Paul