quickWS6

I keep hearing that the Yank will outperfom the Vig in every racing situation. Is this true? How do they compare with looseness? I've been leaning toward the Yank, but recently I've been thinking about the Vig because of price, free restall, and the fact that it MIGHT be tighter around town. Please, I need to decide soon. The car will be a daily driver in the future, but will see the track often. TIA

V6 Bird

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I have had both and i went back to my Vig. My Yank just didn't cut the trick for me. I lost MPH BAD and i cut the same ET as i normally did with my Vig. Yanks out of the car and the 3600 Triple disk is going back in. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" /> A PI triple disk setup is more efficient than the normal single disk clutch setup most people buy. Spend the extra 300 bucks and get a good one the first time. You won't regret it.

98TAauto

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see sig for 3600vig times on nittos <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" />

since Ive put this converter in i havent had any complaints. I was thiking of getting the 4400 then i talked to a few good friends whom made the switch and they didnt drop any et's or pick up any mph from the switch. So im sticking with the 3600. Your gonna get mixed reviews cause Yank fans will choose yank and vig fans will pic vig. Either one will be flat out awesome. Just pick the one you think will do best. They both will get you 11's NA on et streets for sure in my opinion. I just chose the nitto route <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Cool]" src="gr_images/icons/cool.gif" />

WILWAXU

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Care to run from a roll Harold? again? <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" />

Of course I'm bias.. Take a look at the ET List.. pretty easy to figure out what 90% of the fastest cars are running. And that other 10%.. is mostly Vig 3200's in SI cars.

IMO the TP-4400 is best stall made for a Naturally Aspirated LS1 F-body.

98TAauto

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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by WILWAXU:
<strong>Care to run from a roll Harold? again? <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" />

Of course I'm bias.. Take a look at the ET List.. pretty easy to figure out what 90% of the fastest cars are running. And that other 10%.. is mostly Vig 3200's in SI cars.

IMO the TP-4400 is best stall made for a Naturally Aspirated LS1 F-body.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">i had issues then <img border="0" title="" alt="[Razz]" src="gr_tounge.gif" />

let me get my et streets suited on this fall and im coming for ya.. viggy and all <img border="0" title="" alt="[Razz]" src="gr_tounge.gif" /> well i hope anyway

Ragtop 99

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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> Care to run from a roll Harold? again? <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" /> </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">HD: Like JB, my tank pulled on you when I had just a ST 3500. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Razz]" src="gr_tounge.gif" />

I respect the 3600's track capabilities, but from a roll, I'd definitely take the Yank.

98TAauto

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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Ragtop 99:
<strong> </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> Care to run from a roll Harold? again? <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" /> </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">HD: Like JB, my tank pulled on you when I had just a ST 3500. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Razz]" src="gr_tounge.gif" />

I respect the 3600's track capabilities, but from a roll, I'd definitely take the Yank.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">thats cause i had a squirrel up my exhaust or something <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" /> hahaa

has anyone looked into that triple disk setup?? does it help?

granted the vig was slow from a roll in my opinion, but after i did this crank pulley my mph shot up and she came back to life from a roll. However it still could be faster(thanks TNT) <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" />

Ragtop 99

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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by 98TAauto:
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thats cause i had a squirrel up my exhaust or something <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" /> hahaa
</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">The rumors I heard said the squirrel was up something else. Muuhahaaaa. <img border="0" alt="[jester]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_jest.gif" />

98TAauto

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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Ragtop 99:
<strong> </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by 98TAauto:
<strong>
thats cause i had a squirrel up my exhaust or something <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" /> hahaa
</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">The rumors I heard said the squirrel was up something else. Muuhahaaaa. <img border="0" alt="[jester]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_jest.gif" /> </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">thats it, you and me on the track after i get my heads/cam

im gonna have ragtop for dinner <img border="0" title="" alt="[Razz]" src="gr_tounge.gif" /> lmao

quickWS6

I just called PI and the triple-disc 3600 retails for $1081.50 . A little pricey, but if it will give me the same hit off the line as a TP4400, and be as efficient, while being tighter around town...I think it is worth it.

Patrick G

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You guys are going to REALLY be disappointed with a heavy-*** triple disc Vigilante. The efficiency of a converter comes from the design of the pump, turbine, and stator and how they all work together in harmony. That's the big reason Yank converters have such high MPH in the traps and when racing from a roll. People aren't locking up their converters to get this efficiency, it's by design. Yanks are unmatched in this area.

Triple disc clutches only benefit those who plan on locking up their converters for the majority of the 1/4 mile run. Who would do this? Maybe someone in a Grand National. Turbo motors liked to be lugged down to build boost on shifts. On the other hand, LS1s like to breathe. A triple disc assembly is going to add considerable weight to the Vigilante and gain you nothing unless you lock up the converter. I would bet big money that a plain Vig 3600 in an LS1 would outrun a Vig 3600 with the heavier triple disc. The triple disc will slow it down more than it will help.

An comparing the Vig 3600 to the Pro Thruster 4400...give me a break. Just look at the fastest 1/4 mile times and tell me what you see. Lots of former Vig owners sporting Pro Thrusters.

Tim98TA

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I have to disagree with Patrick G. I have had both styles of the PI 3600. I now have the triple disc. It is NOT that much heavier at all. I went from a 2800 PI to a 3600 PI to a 4500 PI back to a 3600 multi disc PI. From the 4500 to the 3600 multi disc PI, my 60' times DROPPED, my mph rose and my ET dropped as well. So the PI convertors are NOT inefficent.

Tim

JS

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I'm curently running a UT4600,I am going to test it against my Vig 4200.Now I believe the Vig was alittle too tight so its gonna get restalled next week.Anyway,I gotta agree with Trev on this one,According my my data and some math the VIG only lost 6% .Thats EXCELLENT for a 4200 stall IMO.But I did lock it up and found 1.5MPH.

So this weekend I will run the Yank and see if it can best the 1.47 I got from the VIG.Most of the 60fts were 1.55 thought which I thought wasnt very good.I hope to run 1.4's with the Yank and get better top end outta of it.I have the LU switch so I might try and LU the Yank also to really see if it doesnt help.

IMO u really cant go wrong w/a Lucky # 7
I went 11.99@112 with it and ran consistant 1.55 60fts w/o ever unbolting a vavle cover.

In my heart I feel the Yank is better but only slightly.One thing for sure about the Yank.U better CHECK the flywhee/converter clearance or u could end up with a bad trans.Mine was WAY out but we machined .040 off the mouting pads to get the proper clearance.

JS

02 Silver Z

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Anyone have clearance/tolerance issues with the Vigs? That #7 pump is sounding damn good lately! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" />

98TAauto

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again ill say, yes the top bolt on guys run the yanks, but did they have the vig 3600 or just the vig3200 before switching to the 4400?? I havent seen any former 3600 owners post there et's after switching from the 3600 to a 4400??? I just wanna see some times from the switch with same bolt ons and almost the same weather <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" /> im sure yanks better, but i dont see where the blow the vigs outta the water yet <img border="0" title="" alt="[Razz]" src="gr_tounge.gif" />

98TAauto

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oh and what about Black Sunshine? He went 11.496@116.24 with a 1.527 60'. Oh and this was on the vig 3200, makes ya wonder what if the 3600 was in there <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" />

not trying to start anything, just trying to defend the viggies here <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" /> each car acts different than another <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" />

Raughammer

"Yank" or "Vigilante"

History:
OK, my 2 cents.
Back in the day, ALL of us used Vigi's...and we ran low 12's to high 11's. (generally speaking) When Yank came out, there was a lot of resistance in swapping over to them. (I was one of the most vocal opponents of swapping to Yank) But the numbers the Yank cars were putting down were looking better and better. Me and Mike (yank) had a little bet and I decided to try a Yank.

I have never second guessed that decision.

RWHP, E.T., MPH, 60', every "race-track" category I can think of the Yanks dominate the Vigilantes.

Performance: (street cars)
9 of the top 10 quickest N/A internally stock LS1 F-bodies use a Yank.
The only 9 sec N/A automatic LS1? Uses a Yank.
All but one of the 10 second automatic N/A LS1's use a Yank.
Do you begin to see a pattern emerging? If you want to go the quickest you get a Yank.

The fastest N/A LS1? Uses a Yank
The fastest N/A heads-cam LS1 uses a Yank.
The fastest N/A internally stock LS1 uses a Yank.

(blatant smack talking paragraph below)
Typically, the Vigi's struggle to get a LOW 1.5 60's. A 1.4 60' in a Big Yank is a piece of cake and considered "normal" around here. Now we have Yanks doing 1.3's. And where is the Vig at, that is cutting 1.3 60''s?

I am waiting.....oh thats right, there is'nt any.
:-)
I have buds with stock motors who cut 1.51 and 52 60's with a Yank ST3500, N/A. Jeeeze, thats what, better than most folks do with the BIG Vigi's. If you want to be a middle of the pack kind of guy get a Vig. You want to shoot for the brass ring? Get a Yank.

Vig...still waiting on that 1.3 60! (holding breath) <img border="0" alt="[jester]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_jest.gif" />

AlonzoVersion 1.0

That is good info JC.I never paid ant attention to that until now.I have a yank because like you said I didnt want to be like everyon else I wanted to be the best.

quickWS6

Okay, so it is accepted that the TP4400 will out E.T. the Vig3600. But at what cost in drivability? I would like to get the best gain without losing drivability. For the people who have switched between them...how much difference is there in looseness?

JS

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John thats a sales pitch.I agree most cars run a Yank and thats fact.

But u dont see alot of 1.4's unless there strokers.How many 346CI H/C cars r running 1.4's? I did it with a Vig 4200 as did Cartek Dave.Who else has gone 1.4's with a N/A 346?I know ther's a few more,Onyx,Janzter etc...

I hope to consistantly 1.4 with the Yank.
Thats why I went back to one now.

Come my Texan buddy give us the low down
U ran pretty well with the LITTLE TEENY 2800 back in the day.Give the Vig its due.Its a good verter too.

Guys I TESTED the 3600VS4400.On a stock motored car running 12.00 it was worth 1/2 tenth TOPS and 1MPH.I was dissapointed after spending 300 more dollars.But when I went to H/C the YANK really showed its stuff.It 60ft'd better and more consistantly plus I had more mph than my 3600.

So it got sold to Joe Prince.He went from 12.8 to 12.3 going from the stock verter to the 3600. I'd say thats a pretty good 700 bucks spent.

John,can u answer any onfo on the fact that the Yanks sometimes r not clearance right.Thank god for my buddies machine shop.We had to remove .040 off the pads just to make sure the was .125 clearance.In most converter boxes it sez in the instructions u need a 1/8 to 1/4 reccommended. And this thing was only at .055.

Sorry buddy but thats not acceptable.
Mikes a great guy and I believe in his verters.
Thats why I changed to one again.I just hope I dont get the results u did John and go slower with the UT?I know there were other factors with your car but yourself said the UT didnt perform like the TP.Mike insisted my car will LOVE the UT4600 and I took his word for it.
Will see?

Or I go back to a ???
Who knows I might put 3.73's back in a run 3200 and be done with this insanity <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" />

JS
Conveters,Tigers and Bears OH MY.....

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