MY fuddle track fun
Originally Posted by slimcracka
yes i know this isnt my first car i took down the track nor the first time goin to the track..im not a idiot
and i dono whats so wrong with my setup..i got suspension. tires and a stall..well go to the track again and see what i can manage..im just sayin that i know my 60ft sucked for a converter car thats y my et suffered im just talkin about mph
and i dono whats so wrong with my setup..i got suspension. tires and a stall..well go to the track again and see what i can manage..im just sayin that i know my 60ft sucked for a converter car thats y my et suffered im just talkin about mph
I have been reading this thread and I am confused.
You say your 60ft suffered from the convertor change which if I am reading it right you are saying the convertor is too tight. BUT you keep pointing to your mph. What does the convertor have to do with mph?? If the convertor was slipping at the finish line the mph would be down but it would be stalling higher at the starting line. Sounds like you are down on power.I would take the car back out and make some more passes and write down everything you do so you can compare. You are going to have to learn what the car wants and how it wants to be launched. Get a good database on your car BEFORE you condemn a part.
Originally Posted by MADMAN
I have been reading this thread and I am confused. You say your 60ft suffered from the convertor change which if I am reading it right you are saying the convertor is too tight. BUT you keep pointing to your mph. What does the convertor have to do with mph?? If the convertor was slipping at the finish line the mph would be down but it would be stalling higher at the starting line. Sounds like you are down on power.
I would take the car back out and make some more passes and write down everything you do so you can compare. You are going to have to learn what the car wants and how it wants to be launched. Get a good database on your car BEFORE you condemn a part.
You say your 60ft suffered from the convertor change which if I am reading it right you are saying the convertor is too tight. BUT you keep pointing to your mph. What does the convertor have to do with mph?? If the convertor was slipping at the finish line the mph would be down but it would be stalling higher at the starting line. Sounds like you are down on power.I would take the car back out and make some more passes and write down everything you do so you can compare. You are going to have to learn what the car wants and how it wants to be launched. Get a good database on your car BEFORE you condemn a part.
I ran a 15.2 with the converter on street tires with a 2.59 60' 
Changed the tires and got it to 12.7, then 12.5, then 12.2 on 3 different days. Practice!! 
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ok now yall are over analzing(sp) this now i wish i wouldnt of posted this up..
1. i know how to launch my car
2. i know my track times suffered due to the crappy 60ft (which is what im confused about..the tires SPUN OVER 5 TIMES AND THEN HOOKED UP...which isnt goin to hur your 60 2 tenths...
3. i stated that i would work on my 60ft later i was pissed about the trap which is what shows the eff. of a converter....and that me my cousin that have the same hp ( my car is in pefect shape doesnt have a miss in it so dont go there) was trapping 86 with a heavier car the same night so.
so no matter what yall think or say im changing my converter its my car and i told everyone on here when i purchased it that im not goin to ***** foot around when i take it to the track and get dissapointed...i said that if it doesnt run at least 85 then i was goin to change it..
1. i know how to launch my car
2. i know my track times suffered due to the crappy 60ft (which is what im confused about..the tires SPUN OVER 5 TIMES AND THEN HOOKED UP...which isnt goin to hur your 60 2 tenths...
3. i stated that i would work on my 60ft later i was pissed about the trap which is what shows the eff. of a converter....and that me my cousin that have the same hp ( my car is in pefect shape doesnt have a miss in it so dont go there) was trapping 86 with a heavier car the same night so.
so no matter what yall think or say im changing my converter its my car and i told everyone on here when i purchased it that im not goin to ***** foot around when i take it to the track and get dissapointed...i said that if it doesnt run at least 85 then i was goin to change it..
Originally Posted by slimcracka
1. i know how to launch my car
2. i know my track times suffered due to the crappy 60ft (which is what im confused about..the tires SPUN OVER 5 TIMES AND THEN HOOKED UP...which isnt goin to hur your 60 2 tenths...
2. i know my track times suffered due to the crappy 60ft (which is what im confused about..the tires SPUN OVER 5 TIMES AND THEN HOOKED UP...which isnt goin to hur your 60 2 tenths...
If you know how to launch your car, you wouldn't have spun. Even a little spin will put a killing on your 60' and your overall run, trust me.
We are all trying to help you, get your 60' down first before you tear out that converter.
Originally Posted by slimcracka
60ft..im on bfg drags 315 and it only spun them over like 5 times and then hooked...everywhere else my car pulled fine...and b4 the converter i ran a guy on the street from a dig and i had him by 1.5 @120 and he runs 8.5@85
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Originally Posted by Roarin_8
I had 27 psi in my nittos and I dead hooked even when I footbraked it at 4000rpms. Practice your launching or get the M/Ts.
Im not takin sides but i think my 3600 is seriously hurtin my times.....I have a H/C car and with a 1.71 60' i only ran 12.20 at 111....very shitty indeed. Car just seems to not pull past the 1/8 mile. Maybe other problems, but the more i chase it the more things lead to a possible convertor inefficiency during fluid coupling. Car is tuned and makes plenty of power in "LOCKUP" I should be goin way faster than damn 111.
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Originally Posted by Honda Hunter
You were able to footbrake all the way to 4000 with your 4000 stall converter? Intresting.
Originally Posted by slimcracka
ok now yall are over analzing(sp) this now i wish i wouldnt of posted this up..
1. i know how to launch my car
2. i know my track times suffered due to the crappy 60ft (which is what im confused about..the tires SPUN OVER 5 TIMES AND THEN HOOKED UP...which isnt goin to hur your 60 2 tenths...
3. i stated that i would work on my 60ft later i was pissed about the trap which is what shows the eff. of a converter....and that me my cousin that have the same hp ( my car is in pefect shape doesnt have a miss in it so dont go there) was trapping 86 with a heavier car the same night so.
so no matter what yall think or say im changing my converter its my car and i told everyone on here when i purchased it that im not goin to ***** foot around when i take it to the track and get dissapointed...i said that if it doesnt run at least 85 then i was goin to change it..
1. i know how to launch my car
2. i know my track times suffered due to the crappy 60ft (which is what im confused about..the tires SPUN OVER 5 TIMES AND THEN HOOKED UP...which isnt goin to hur your 60 2 tenths...
3. i stated that i would work on my 60ft later i was pissed about the trap which is what shows the eff. of a converter....and that me my cousin that have the same hp ( my car is in pefect shape doesnt have a miss in it so dont go there) was trapping 86 with a heavier car the same night so.
so no matter what yall think or say im changing my converter its my car and i told everyone on here when i purchased it that im not goin to ***** foot around when i take it to the track and get dissapointed...i said that if it doesnt run at least 85 then i was goin to change it..
You are right it is your car.
So in your opinion is the convertor too tight for your car or too loose??????
slimcracka, don't take this the wrong way, but you cannot compare 2 cars mod for mod, as every car is different. example: my car, BONE STOCK, perfect from bumper to bumper (only 45k on it at the time) vs. my buddy's car, BONE STOCK, of the same year, had 135k on it at the time. he ran 13.35 @ 104.5 - i ran 13.85 @ 102.5. both of us dead hooking, both with completely stock cars, same night, same track, SAME PASS. what did your car trap before the converter? unless you have a leg to stand on in terms of comparison, putting in another, more expensive converter, is only going to let you down MORE after the hype. wake up man...
You're blaming the wrong thing here. The problem is NOT the converter.
Even if you did "turn the tires over 5 times" (not sure how you know it was 5 times), how do you think that it's NOT going to hurt your ET? A good 60' time is essential to lower ETs, so if you're spinning it much at all off the line, your ET is suffering. And don't worry about the MPH, converters are notorious for dropping a couple MPH while also dropping half a second off the quarter times. You're just being too harsh on the only thing you can think of to blame it on. Leave the converter in and learn to launch the car better. I know you say, "I know how to launch my own car!", but if you're spinning the tires over that much and still pulling 60' times just below 2.0s, then you obviously don't know how to launch it as well as it could be done.
Just keep practicing with that converter and come back happy when you get some better times.
Even if you did "turn the tires over 5 times" (not sure how you know it was 5 times), how do you think that it's NOT going to hurt your ET? A good 60' time is essential to lower ETs, so if you're spinning it much at all off the line, your ET is suffering. And don't worry about the MPH, converters are notorious for dropping a couple MPH while also dropping half a second off the quarter times. You're just being too harsh on the only thing you can think of to blame it on. Leave the converter in and learn to launch the car better. I know you say, "I know how to launch my own car!", but if you're spinning the tires over that much and still pulling 60' times just below 2.0s, then you obviously don't know how to launch it as well as it could be done.
Just keep practicing with that converter and come back happy when you get some better times.
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Originally Posted by slimcracka
..im just sayin that i know my 60ft sucked for a converter car thats y my et suffered im just talkin about mph
Explain to me how you think swapping the converter will gain you MPH?????
NEWSFLASH: Each car runs different?
You say you make the same power as someone else? Well are you SURE? Where the cars dyno'd side by side on the same dyno with SAE corrected numbers????
If not then how do you know the have the same HP, there could easily be 10% difference. Also your car may have lost more HP due to weather conditions, I mean was your a/f and timing and trim tables 100% the same? If not then the cars will certainly react different?
Where your tyre pressures exactly the same as this would affect rolling resistance?
How good of a driver are they, it's perfectly feasible that they simply out drove you!!!
Listen to these guys, they are only trying to help you out, but hay it's your car and if you don't want to listen to advise and only seem to get butt hurt when people attempt to help you out its your choice. Just don't come back complaining when you are still having issues!
swap the converter....then you will know for sure in your mind. I am hard headed sometimes and do things others tell me not too....hell it's my money and I can admit being wrong when I am so no biggie.
well i cant stand to read through all of this, but heres my points.. though im sure someone has allready covered them.
The bigest trick to getting a good sixty foot isnt just in haveing X brand or X spped converter, it comes from practice and a good suspension/tire/tire psi set up.. most important being practice.. I have a Fuddle 4k stall and cut 1.5 60's on it all day... (well when the car was running anyways) i know of several other people running them with the same results.. so im not sure why you would bash fuddle for you not getting a good 60.. ill put money to it that your driving and your suspension is more to blame than anything... imho
The bigest trick to getting a good sixty foot isnt just in haveing X brand or X spped converter, it comes from practice and a good suspension/tire/tire psi set up.. most important being practice.. I have a Fuddle 4k stall and cut 1.5 60's on it all day... (well when the car was running anyways) i know of several other people running them with the same results.. so im not sure why you would bash fuddle for you not getting a good 60.. ill put money to it that your driving and your suspension is more to blame than anything... imho
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What do the revs come down to after the 1st gear change? ie., the shift extension? This is a big indicator for telling whether the stallie is performing to spec. or not.
Your 4000 Fuddle should be around 5300-5400RPM shift extension. I have a 3400/2.1 Fuddle and get 5100-5200RPM shift eztension. I have logged 2 fuddles now at the track in my car. I know that both of them performed exact to specification and the 3200 generated 3200 flash stall and 3600 3600 flash stall. Efficiency of the 3200 was 96% at the top end, while the 3600 was down to 94%.
You might think that 94% is bad. Well without it, you aint got as much shift extension and furthermore less flash off the line. I went 114MPH with the 3200 and 212-220 cam, heavy *** GTO. Now I have a crane 228-232 with headwork, the 3600 has netted a best 122MPH with MASSIVE, I mean MASSIVE wheelspin - to the point I had to back right off before hitting the wall on MT ETs. Best 60' to date has been 1.65s with 50m hazing the tyres.
Efficiency is good, but for NA, its not as important as for FI. Perhaps the converter is not well suited to your combo? For my cam I woudl not recommend anything higher than their 3600/2.2. Although my stall RPM is 3600, I actually run their 3400/2.1, out of interest.
Your 4000 Fuddle should be around 5300-5400RPM shift extension. I have a 3400/2.1 Fuddle and get 5100-5200RPM shift eztension. I have logged 2 fuddles now at the track in my car. I know that both of them performed exact to specification and the 3200 generated 3200 flash stall and 3600 3600 flash stall. Efficiency of the 3200 was 96% at the top end, while the 3600 was down to 94%.
You might think that 94% is bad. Well without it, you aint got as much shift extension and furthermore less flash off the line. I went 114MPH with the 3200 and 212-220 cam, heavy *** GTO. Now I have a crane 228-232 with headwork, the 3600 has netted a best 122MPH with MASSIVE, I mean MASSIVE wheelspin - to the point I had to back right off before hitting the wall on MT ETs. Best 60' to date has been 1.65s with 50m hazing the tyres.
Efficiency is good, but for NA, its not as important as for FI. Perhaps the converter is not well suited to your combo? For my cam I woudl not recommend anything higher than their 3600/2.2. Although my stall RPM is 3600, I actually run their 3400/2.1, out of interest.
just put the yank in cracka. I'd be curious to see what, if any, the difference would be. if there is no change, then you know it's not the converter. and you will then know that fuddle is every bit as good as yank...I know that this isn't exactly an apples to apples comparison, but it's pretty darn close...just do it and post up the results. it would be interesting to see if there is any mph difference.
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I think the point hes trying to make is he thinks the fuddle isn't very efficient hence hes losing mph and wants to switch to the yank which he has seen/thinks will be more efficient and he wont lose any mph. If I understand correctly I think this could be very possible since it seems everytime I see a post with someone after there fuddle install they seem to et faster but lose a few mph while I've seen many yank convertes installed that would lower et and gain mph