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Old Sep 3, 2006 | 11:27 AM
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What will the stock LS1 converter flash to when nailed on a set of decent street(non DR) tires?

Also, I was questioning durability earlier in a stock LS1. Most guys on here blowing these things are....not stock. Has anyone killed a 4L60E before 100K miles in a STOCK APPLICATION (LS1). (This does not include people who do neutral clutch drops and other wierd crap).???

Also, how good would a driver in an M6 have to be to beat an A4 with an avg driver at the strip? (Cars = other than tranny).
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Old Sep 3, 2006 | 12:52 PM
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stall on a stock A4 4L60E is 0

it doesnt flash and your 4l60E can take a beating... it is RPMs that kill it not power so it seems after i have ready many disscussion on this board.

i installed a tranny cooler from B&M to just make sure it runs cooler and extend life. it is very easy maybe 1 hour at best.
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Old Sep 3, 2006 | 12:54 PM
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and basically i beat most 6 speeds that are equiv. to my car. There are exceptions where people know how to drive thier 6 speed very well so i lose.

from a roll your will lose, from a dig you will win more often then not. put a 3600-4000 stall on that bitch and you will roaSSt any M6
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Old Sep 3, 2006 | 12:59 PM
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The stock stall on a stock 4L60E is not 0. Its around 1200 with about a 1:1 STR. If your mostly stock and have less than 100k it will last you probably until then. I bought my car bone stock, first time I floored it, it pegged the limiter on the 2-3 shift hard, about a month later the whole tranny gave out, this is right at 100k.
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Old Sep 3, 2006 | 01:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Trust
The stock stall on a stock 4L60E is not 0. Its around 1200 with about a 1:1 STR. If your mostly stock and have less than 100k it will last you probably until then. I bought my car bone stock, first time I floored it, it pegged the limiter on the 2-3 shift hard, about a month later the whole tranny gave out, this is right at 100k.

eeek. 1200 with a 1.1 STR?!?! Holy crap. Even the 99-04 mustang GT's would stall to 2400 and my POS AOD would Brake stall to 1800. I am thinking DEFINITELY M6 at this point.
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Old Sep 3, 2006 | 02:10 PM
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Or, just change the converter and be blissfully happy whenever you're racing from a dig.
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Originally Posted by melchoir
Or, just change the converter and be blissfully happy whenever you're racing from a dig.

Stalls scare me, 109* a month ago outside at 4 in the afternoon...stalls and the south dont mix imho.
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I'm in Florida, I know plenty about hot. I know a LOT of people who run stalls as DDs. Get yourself a cooler (I went with B&M 24,000) and you'll be set. The cooler costs about $50, and takes roughly an hour to install (It's *VERY* simple).

I love my auto, I had to spank 2 M6s (on the street, from digs) yesterday. One 423rwhp TA, and one LS1 GTO. Had we went far enough the TA would have caught me, but we could only take it from 0-90 as traffic wouldn't permit.
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Old Sep 3, 2006 | 04:57 PM
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Nice, The stall costs a lot of trap speed it looks like though, my friend ran 13.3@105 on a bone stock 98 Z28 A4. Your LT's etc. should put you way above that. I guess the stall hurts from a roll?
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Stall doesn't hurt form a roll, I've trapped higher previously, the weather was terrible that day. It was 3100DA.
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Old Sep 3, 2006 | 08:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Trust
The stock stall on a stock 4L60E is not 0. Its around 1200 with about a 1:1 STR. If your mostly stock and have less than 100k it will last you probably until then. I bought my car bone stock, first time I floored it, it pegged the limiter on the 2-3 shift hard, about a month later the whole tranny gave out, this is right at 100k.
Are you still talking about flash stall and not just stall rating? But yes the stall is around 1200, some claim up to 1600.
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Old Sep 4, 2006 | 02:24 AM
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stall converters will help you roll racing too... it's called shift extension lol.
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Old Sep 4, 2006 | 02:26 AM
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Originally Posted by Sunset'01Z
stall converters will help you roll racing too... it's called shift extension lol.

Not really. I have a vid of a car stock, and with a 3500 stall. The shifts are weaker. The only thing faster is takeoff. It drops to 4K rpm each time, but TM kills it with the tq converter and getting rid of TM hurts the tranny, I am about convinced to go M6 after all this
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Old Sep 4, 2006 | 11:36 AM
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Originally Posted by Stanger88
Not really. I have a vid of a car stock, and with a 3500 stall. The shifts are weaker. The only thing faster is takeoff. It drops to 4K rpm each time, but TM kills it with the tq converter and getting rid of TM hurts the tranny, I am about convinced to go M6 after all this
Then have I got news for you...

My car is faster at any speed, period. I have no TM, and good shift kit in a built tranny. Whether it be from 0, or 100, my car is faster than stock, by a long shot.

You dismiss shift extension as not being a big deal. Well, it IS a big deal, and it helped me keep up with a 420rwhp SS from 15-75mph. I am making around 325rwhp. Power isn't everything.
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Old Sep 4, 2006 | 11:57 AM
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Originally Posted by 00cls1camaross
stall on a stock A4 4L60E is 0

it doesnt flash and your 4l60E can take a beating... it is RPMs that kill it not power so it seems after i have ready many disscussion on this board.

i installed a tranny cooler from B&M to just make sure it runs cooler and extend life. it is very easy maybe 1 hour at best.
If the car stalled at "0" it would do just that, stall. It wouldn't be driveable. Meaning you would put it in drive and the converter would immediately stall the engine.

The stock stall for a 4L60E is approximately 1250RPM. Not very high at all, I'm sure thats in the interest of fuel economy and driveability.
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Originally Posted by Stanger88
Nice, The stall costs a lot of trap speed it looks like though, my friend ran 13.3@105 on a bone stock 98 Z28 A4. Your LT's etc. should put you way above that. I guess the stall hurts from a roll?
Stalls and automatics in general rob a lot of power from getting to the wheels. Automatics already have higher drivetrain loss than M6's, and when you add a stall it creates even more slippage. Slippage is of course wasted energy, but the advantage is it allows the car to stay in the powerband and rip off very quick shifts. So you can run low times, but trap speed will suffer. I'd be embarassed of I was running low 12's and only trapping at speeds equivelent to a stock M6, though.
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Old Sep 4, 2006 | 12:32 PM
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I dont see much difference in trap speeds between auto vs. M6 at the strip, The M6 I saw did 105 and the A4 did 104 (the A4 was on ET streets though and the M6 had street tires)
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Originally Posted by 98BanditWS6
I'd be embarassed of I was running low 12's and only trapping at speeds equivelent to a stock M6, though.
What's to be embarrassed about when you cross the traps before a guy who is making more power than you?
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Originally Posted by Stanger88
Stalls scare me, 109* a month ago outside at 4 in the afternoon...stalls and the south dont mix imho.
It gets over 100* frequently in the Kansas summer. Hit 109* twice this year. Get a good tranny cooler and forget about it.
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Originally Posted by RevGTO
What's to be embarrassed about when you cross the traps before a guy who is making more power than you?
Because the car isn't actually that fast. Its getting from point A to point B quickly, but its not really accelerating all that fast compared to an M6 car running low 12's and trapping at something like 112MPH.
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