davidadavila

i personally think that the sky is an awsome car specially the turbo, way better than solctive, the aura is a millin times more refined than an altima, looks better, the new hatch they have is awsome, the solution is not making competition within the same company..... cobalt=g6, solctice=sky, etc, again its only a name,

Gm needs to go bacnkrupt so they can get renegotiated their labor to be competitive in the market. nothing is going to save them unless they make more of a return on the cars they sell, also they are playing in real hot territory haveing those korean cars Daewoo rebadge as chevys, they should just do it for south america and other 3rd world countries.i would never buy that aveo, another rebadge is those suzukis like the reno and the 4 door one, its sold in south america as a chevy.......only car i see in that are having a future is the cobalt, because iof its solid body and good engines....but those korean cars are just scary.......


this is Ecuador where im from originally look at the damn markups, oh and i was informed that they killed the reno over there and its cousin a year ago or so over there, think suv are expensive here, check these, gas over there is like .99 cents

http://www.chevrolet.com.ec/vehiculo...s-lista.html#2


i just sold my trailblazer for less than 10 grand and its was an 05 i should of taken it to ecuador and got sticker price

pushinfreight

So there goes the "excitement" brand. Thanks GM.

TriShield

Holden exports facing stop sign

Philip King | November 29, 2008

HOLDEN'S export program to the US will hang in the balance next week as General Motors considers ditching the Pontiac brand and 11,000 unsold export Commodores gather dust.

Adelaide-built Commodores are shipped to the US as Pontiac G8s, but GM is reviewing prospects for three of its eight divisions, with Pontiac top of the list, in a desperate bid to cut costs and secure $US50 billion ($76 billion) in federal funds.

The plan, which must be ready for US legislators by next weekend, leaves a question mark over the future of Pontiac, Saab and Saturn, according to Bloomberg reports, while Hummer is already up for sale.

The Holden-built Pontiac G8 is part of the problem, as it is struggling to find buyers.

Just 13,000 have been bought since shipments began at the beginning of the year, and inventory levels exceed 11,000 cars -- or 283 days' supply -- the third-worst for any GM model, according to specialist US website Automotive News.

Potential Pontiac G8 buyers must now factor in an uncertain future for the brand.

"It's a challenging business environment for carmakers around the world," said a spokesman for GM Holden, Jonathan Rose. "We're very proud of our export program."

He denied Holden was adding to Pontiac's woes, and said export shipments were continuing. Mr Rose played down reports yesterday that Holden is planning to build a four-cylinder car alongside the Commodore.

"We're looking at many options," he said.

"But we don't have any announcement to make."

The 82-year-old Pontiac division is one of GM's oldest, but its "affordable performance" models peaked in the 1970s.

The Holden Monaro built here until three years ago was used to revive the famous Pontiac GTO nameplate, and 32,000 were sold stateside between 2003 and 2005.

But Pontiac's 1000 US dealers have been hit hard by the collapse of the car market, with sales down 21 per cent this year.

Despite this, Holden is adding a high-performance G8 version to the line-up, and the Commodore Ute, rebadged as the Pontiac G8 Sports Truck, will be exported late next year.

Holden desperately needs fresh overseas markets to keep its Adelaide factory running, with Commodore sales down 16per cent this year.

The company expected US demand for Pontiac G8s to boost exports, but recently announced plans to shut its factory for 25 days in the first quarter next year, in addition to its four-week Christmas holiday closure.

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au...-13232,00.html

LS1LT1

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Cobalt is cousin to the G5 actually, but I knew what you'd meant.





I agree. And even better, the already very decent Cobalt will eventually be replaced by the Cruze which will be an all new and hopefully even better small sports coupe/sedan replacement.

AronZ28

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I think a big part of the G8 not selling is the styling. The front is ugly, in a 2000 Grand Am sort of way. Rest looks like any other car on the road. I think the Charger/300c are much better looking. Not to mention the V6 G8 gets bad gas mileage compared to an Avalon, Camry, Maxima, and is a lot worse than a Camry/Accord with a 4 banger.

Pontiac just hasn't been the same since the demise of the Trans Am/Firebird. Only interesting products have been ugly rebadges of some Holdens.

TriShield

Everything else Pontiac carries also doesn't sell. Not even the G5 when fuel prices were $4 per gallon. The G6 is Pontiac's volume and nearly half of them go to fleets instead of consumers.

That tells you something about the brand overall - it's dead.

Rawr256

IMO they let them die out like this. If the G6 is only going to fleet sales, than something will have to step in and take its place in the future and it will more than likely be something from the Chevy line.

As much as I hate to say it, just kill Pontiac. The "driving excitement" was killed a long time ago when all they did was take the drivetrain to other cars. There is nothing unique about the car anymore. It looks like Cadillac has taken over in this department anyways. They don't even try to put any thought behind the cars anymore in the Pontiac line. If they kept it all RWD or made it something unique it would have worked. IIRC the original G8 they designed back in the late 90's was suppose to be AWD with a blown V6 pushing 300hp and it got the axe and was just a pipe dream.

The other thing I don't understand is all of the Pontiacs looking similar. It doesn't seem like it is a big deal when Dodge, Chevy, BMW, Audi, Porsche do it, but when Pontiac carries over some signature designs everyone bitches, or maybe it is just me.

When it all comes down to it, they don't advertise for crap. Only commercials I ever see for half the lineup of their cars are on their website, none ever on TV. I think someone even posted once that for the Firebird the only commercial that was used was the Hungry one, the other two were floating around on the website.

Dan

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I believe if Pontiac had designed their own GTO with some better styling they may have sold as many as the Bandit cars in the 70's. But no,they take a short cut & bring over a redesigned Holden. ****, I have been saying for 5 years now, If they had a Judge version of the GTO that looked & performed, they would have sold a ton of them..I say blame Lutz the putz, I think he single handedly brought down Pontiac.JMO

maddboost

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GM should kill ever brand except Chevy and Cadillac. Make Caddy their only upscale division and Chevy their everything else division. GMC has nothing specific so it needs to be killed. Buick is a useless division it needs to be killed. With those two dead no point in just having Pontiac since most dealers currently are GMC/Buick/Pontiac. Kill Saab no one buys those ugly cars. Kill Saturn. Take any models that sell and stick them under the Chevy name. GM for too long has been competing with itself, they need to trim down their lines and their dealer network.

They need to declare bankrutpcy to kill all of these brands though so they can break all their contracts with the dealers otherwise they will have to pay so much to close the dealerships they might as well go out of business.

1CAMWNDR

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I think the whole family face design idea needs to be **** canned. I hate the same face on every car a company sells. That damn Chevy grill/bar looks OK on the trucks and like crap on all of the cars. Brand identity will come from one simple place......... THE EMBLEM. Each car needs its own design.

wabmorgan

I HATE that as well..... I couldn't agree more!!!!!!!!!

If Pontiac doesn't go away..... they seriously need to lose that grand am/ grand prix double grill that shows up on every model!!!!!!!

slick1851

Thank you


Whats the point of buying a car that looks like all the rest, its pointless!

slick1851

Uh just make the G8 a chevy and there ya go!


No need to axe the car, but it needs HSV body work or somthing to spice the car up



Pontiacs are so fucken plain, all they have are grills and hood scoops

THATS IT!

Its a joke what that brand is, they need to get cut off

1CAMWNDR

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No, it needs to look like it's own car. Leave the HSV bodywork on Holden cars. Make it an Impala and make it LOOK like an Impala; not just like every other Chevy except the Corvette. Maybe that is one reason the Corvette sells so well, it doesn't have that family grill/bar crap in the front.

wabmorgan

Maybe it's just me.... but I HATE grills on cars.

I prefer them as bottom breathers.... like the Firebird/Trans Am and Corvette..... even the Oldsmobile Aurora. They just look better without grills, IMO.

horist

lol... remind me to never buy a vette!

I buy a TA, they stop making them, I buy GTP , they stop making the Grand Prix, now they may stop making Pontiac ... i'm cursed!

Blackened2k

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Eh, pontiac was almost axed once before, but were saved essentially by muscle cars and racing... there's nothing left to save pontiac this time.

call me crazy but hell, just start selling Holden or Vauxhall (whatever you want to call it) over here. Don't bother wasting money rebadging them.

1CAMWNDR

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Damn dude! Go buy a Hummer and Buick . LOL.

I don't mind grills on cars, but they need to reflect the styling of that particular car. The big crosshair looks stupid on the Dodge cars also. Works for the truck, sucks on everything else.

KameleonTransAm

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Duly noted