LS1-450

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Spoken like a true "Employee." BTW, Doctors don't make nearly the income they could be making had Congess not allowed "Drug Corporations" to Monopolize their income under the veil of "managed healthcare." Yes, everyone deserves the right to an income capable to sustain a healthy life, in this Country. I would include technicians in my statement. In this Country
one must be a Corproate executive, a business owner, Sports start, entertainment star, have a dual income Family, or work well over 40 hours in order to produce an income large enough to maintain a healthy living. We were born into this system of which gets more difficult to reside in each year. We are well on our way to forming two social classes, the rich & the poor, that's it. Whining about how ones pitiful wage should be greater that another's pitiful wage is pointless. The problem is far greater & resides at a much higher level.

This Country has not been operated "Buy the people" & "For the people" in well over a Century. This Country & the World are operated by the "Corporation & Government," for the "Corporation & Governement."

t_raven

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What does that mean? I agree that it is very difficult to support a family compared to 20 years ago. Back then my dad made $35k and we lived in a $85k house. That house is now worth $200k(or was before the market went to crap) and my dad now makes $65k but he is in a better position. He is lucky to make what he does, most people in positions like his make around $45-$50k. So yeah, it's hard to make a living. But the funny thing that people don't understand is what "money" is. It's just a paper representation of resources: time, labor, and materials. We are definitely getting to where there's no middle class anymore but are there really enough "rich" people that if we averaged all us poor folk would be making significantly more? I kinda doubt it. And not everyone deserves to make as much as everyone else. Those who apply themselves, work harder, take the time to get an education, etc deserve to make more. For every one to make more money it has to come from some where. So unless we become more productive and efficient as a nation then charging more for our labor would just jack up the prices of everything and it would cancel out.

So anyway, it is my opinion that for factory workers to make significantly more than I do. Given that I am in the same industry and I'm much more educated in the technology of that industry, I believe I should be making more. That's all I was say. I don't expect to make 40/hr while they make 30, but they should be in the low 20s and guys like me in the high 20s, not the other way around. And I mentioned the benefits before.

m6z

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I agree. $30hr isn't exactly pocket change...

pitbull14218

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Ya lets see whats easier to build things with lego's or Erector sets?

It amaze's me that people think they have it hard and cant take a pay cut with such a easy job. I used to work as a general Service Technician at Goodyear and living in Buffalo NY in the winter it snows and it builds up under the wheel well's and falls on you and you get all what and cold! I think even doing tires and oil changed would be hard then half of the automotive factory jobs in these plants!

I would like to see them in our shoe's making the money we make!

ChaseSS

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$30 an hour is outrageous for unskilled labor... not too mention all the people getting paid that money for not doing anything at all in "job bank." These people deserve $15-20 an hour, there's no reason for anyone getting paid higher than that for unskilled labor. The big 3 need to file Chapter 7 and restructure. They can't keep the union and filing for bankruptcy protection is the only way to do it. We are all here saying that these guys are getting paid too much but the entire reason the bailout didn't pass is because the UAW didn't want to take anymore pay cuts till 2011. Do you think the UAW will "restructure" its management if GM receives bail-out money?? NO, the same mob-like tatics will be used and your simply masking the problem. Ultimately setting up another failure down the road

All of you crying that if we don't save them the economy will completely crash, ask yourself this question: Do you believe in capitalism? If yes, than we've solved that problem. If you answered No, please apply for a new job here http://www.russiajobs.com/

Capitalism is the survival of the fittest and SHOULD be what this country is based on. Instead, we have decided to become socialistic and will quickly follow the path set fourth by western europe. How about the construction companies of the USA get together and say we need bailout money to survive? Then what? What job sector is next? The gov't shouldn't have started this in the first place, but believe me... The automakers don't need a bailout

Z Fury

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To use some simpler terms, $30/hour calculates out to more than $60,000/year (assuming 40 hours per week, 52 weeks a year). That's a nice chunk of money to most people. Does anyone honestly believe that an assembly line worker is worth $60K/year plus all benefits paid?

2002_Z28_Six_Speed

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Before you guys start ranting and raving about 60K a year listen to this:


The average income for the American guy is on the order of 48K. This is not for unskilled labour. Median home income is more like 50k.

It would not be uncommon for a "good company to work for" to pay 80% of the cost of insurance and benefits.

So to really compare how much these guys make for a HS Diploma you need to add in the benefits.... they make a lot more than 60K a year. Especially, if you don't have a job with such benefits you might not realise this... how much it really costs to employ someone at this level of support.

I realise that a factory job isn't easy but I have been there and I have worked manual labor. Even though it isn't easy I am not sure if 60K is meritable for that kind of work. Not trying to change the system here. Just my 2 cents.

I have seen the type of work that they do in these places and it isn't like in other factories I have seen people set up industrial machines for different runs and try to maintain an output quota for 16 dollars an hour.

slick1851

Tell GM to build every car in there line up to be cool like the vette,G8 and camaro and they will see more people come to them



Notice how well caddy has done

slick1851

GM also over charges for there cars by ALOT! Its a joke how much they are marked up

NemeSS

iTrader: (127)

something good has to come from all this bs eventually
if it doesnt shape up in a few yrs. modding cars or even buying cars will be the least of our problems.

Heyfred

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Look what is happenning at the Ford camp:
http://www.clickondetroit.com/video/10235271/index.html

LS1LT1

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Yeah but those $25k+ Honda Civics are a great value.

LS1LT1

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Nice.

Teal94Z

people fail to realize that there are a lot of unskilled jobs out there that pay very good like UPS or FedEx drivers they can make up too 100k and its not that hard, it just takes time to get up there. I believe that if the workers spent the years there for those wages then they deserve the pay they are getting.

Irunelevens

The only Civic that costs near that much is the Hybrid Sedan, which stickers for $23,650. Maybe if you load a $21k Si up with dealer-installed options, but $25k+ is ridiculous. And how's this for an example of how they cost too much; back in 2005 I was looking for a compact/midsize truck to drive when I was doing air conditioning/appliance repair. I wanted something new, with good power, a manual transmission, and 4 doors. You know what that left me with? A Nissan Frontier. So I got a Crew Cab V6/6spd for just under $21k. The closest American competitor was a POS Colorado which was $4k more, had significantly less hp/tq, and was automatic-only.