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01-10-2009, 05:58 PM
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The article I read, IIRC, cited a Nissan executive... He went on further that those who did buy the launch-year GTR's would have the added exclusivity and rarity of having the only GTRs ever produced with launch control. Why would he say that off or on the record in that much detail if that was something they might not do? Are you sure?
"UPDATE: Nissan just contacted us to say, "No final decision has been made about the inclusion of launch control on the MY2010 GT-R." So, for now at least, Inside Line's report is just speculation. "- http://www.autoblog.com/2008/11/20/n...rom-2010-gt-r/
01-10-2009, 06:12 PM
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The article you read was a rumor...do some research.
"UPDATE: Nissan just contacted us to say, "No final decision has been made about the inclusion of launch control on the MY2010 GT-R." So, for now at least, Inside Line's report is just speculation. "- http://www.autoblog.com/2008/11/20/n...rom-2010-gt-r/
"UPDATE: Nissan just contacted us to say, "No final decision has been made about the inclusion of launch control on the MY2010 GT-R." So, for now at least, Inside Line's report is just speculation. "- http://www.autoblog.com/2008/11/20/n...rom-2010-gt-r/
I wonder if Inside Line flat-out lied or if Nissan tried to retract a prior statement by not acknowledging they ever said such a thing though they did?
Aside from the article, though no final decision has been made, is that something possibly on the horizon?
01-10-2009, 06:59 PM
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http://www.nissanusa.com/pdf/techpub...09_GTR_WIB.pdf
This warranty does not cover damage, failures or corrosion
resulting from:
■ Accident, theft, fi re, driving through water (including
engine water ingestion) or misuse, which includes, but
is not limited to, operation in violation of any applicable
law and racing of any sort whatsoever (Proper use is
outlined in your OWNER’S MANUAL).
■ Alteration, tampering or improper repair, including but
not limited to adding/replacing chips, reprogramming,
or attempting to reprogram, alter, or disconnect any
computer or control unit.
■ Operating the vehicle with the Vehicle Dynamic Control
(VDC) off, except when rocking vehicle when stuck in
mud or snow (see GT-R Owner's Manual).■ Installation of non-Nissan approved accessories or
components.■ Improper installation of any Nissan approved or
aftermarket accessory or component.
■ Glass breakage, unless resulting from defects in material
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01-10-2009, 07:46 PM
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Here it is This is from page 9 of the warranty manual FROM NISSAN.
http://www.nissanusa.com/pdf/techpub...09_GTR_WIB.pdf
This warranty does not cover damage, failures or corrosion
resulting from:
■ Accident, theft, fi re, driving through water (including
engine water ingestion) or misuse, which includes, but
is not limited to, operation in violation of any applicable
law and racing of any sort whatsoever (Proper use is
outlined in your OWNER’S MANUAL).
■ Alteration, tampering or improper repair, including but
not limited to adding/replacing chips, reprogramming,
or attempting to reprogram, alter, or disconnect any
computer or control unit.
■ Operating the vehicle with the Vehicle Dynamic Control
(VDC) off, except when rocking vehicle when stuck in
mud or snow (see GT-R Owner's Manual).■ Installation of non-Nissan approved accessories or
components.■ Improper installation of any Nissan approved or
aftermarket accessory or component.
■ Glass breakage, unless resulting from defects in material
http://www.nissanusa.com/pdf/techpub...09_GTR_WIB.pdf
This warranty does not cover damage, failures or corrosion
resulting from:
■ Accident, theft, fi re, driving through water (including
engine water ingestion) or misuse, which includes, but
is not limited to, operation in violation of any applicable
law and racing of any sort whatsoever (Proper use is
outlined in your OWNER’S MANUAL).
■ Alteration, tampering or improper repair, including but
not limited to adding/replacing chips, reprogramming,
or attempting to reprogram, alter, or disconnect any
computer or control unit.
■ Operating the vehicle with the Vehicle Dynamic Control
(VDC) off, except when rocking vehicle when stuck in
mud or snow (see GT-R Owner's Manual).■ Installation of non-Nissan approved accessories or
components.■ Improper installation of any Nissan approved or
aftermarket accessory or component.
■ Glass breakage, unless resulting from defects in material
Um yeah, they clearly state that they do not cover damages or failures RESULTING FROM operating the vehicle with "VDC off."
That means that if you turn it off, beat the car, and it breaks because of that, they will not cover the damage... Meaning they look at the black box, and at 7:45 PM the driver turned off VDC, did five launches, broke the tranny on the sixth at 8 PM, and then turned VDC back on at 8:10 PM, driving to the dealer the next morning. Yes, in this case they will not cover you I imagine.
THAT DOES NOT MEAN that if you turn it off, beat the car, and then it doesn't break, they will not cover you a month later should damage occur driving around town hard doing some runs (with VDC on, though, of course)...
They will cover you because, regardless from what it resulted, it did NOT result from turning VDC off followed by tranny abuse.
That's how I interpret the manual.
01-10-2009, 07:57 PM
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Why would I do some research for that if I could just ask you? lol I knew you'd know for sure I trust ya.
I wonder if Inside Line flat-out lied or if Nissan tried to retract a prior statement by not acknowledging they ever said such a thing though they did?
Aside from the article, though no final decision has been made, is that something possibly on the horizon?
I wonder if Inside Line flat-out lied or if Nissan tried to retract a prior statement by not acknowledging they ever said such a thing though they did?
Aside from the article, though no final decision has been made, is that something possibly on the horizon?
Possibly, but I think not. What I believe is that Nissan is just going to completely pretend like it does not exist much like how BMW did with their launch control in the E46 M3s. The E46 M3s came with launch control but it was never mentioned by BMW in any of the literature what so ever, this way they didn't have to cover all the clutch/tranny issues that came in with people who abused the feature. People seem to think Nissan's LC feature and lack of warranty coverage when something breaks while using it is something new....BMW did it years ago.
01-10-2009, 09:15 PM
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Um yeah, they clearly state that they do not cover damages or failures RESULTING FROM operating the vehicle with "VDC off."
That means that if you turn it off, beat the car, and it breaks because of that, they will not cover the damage... Meaning they look at the black box, and at 7:45 PM the driver turned off VDC, did five launches, broke the tranny on the sixth at 8 PM, and then turned VDC back on at 8:10 PM, driving to the dealer the next morning. Yes, in this case they will not cover you I imagine.
THAT DOES NOT MEAN that if you turn it off, beat the car, and then it doesn't break, they will not cover you a month later should damage occur driving around town hard doing some runs (with VDC on, though, of course)...
They will cover you because, regardless from what it resulted, it did NOT result from turning VDC off followed by tranny abuse.
That's how I interpret the manual.
That means that if you turn it off, beat the car, and it breaks because of that, they will not cover the damage... Meaning they look at the black box, and at 7:45 PM the driver turned off VDC, did five launches, broke the tranny on the sixth at 8 PM, and then turned VDC back on at 8:10 PM, driving to the dealer the next morning. Yes, in this case they will not cover you I imagine.
THAT DOES NOT MEAN that if you turn it off, beat the car, and then it doesn't break, they will not cover you a month later should damage occur driving around town hard doing some runs (with VDC on, though, of course)...
They will cover you because, regardless from what it resulted, it did NOT result from turning VDC off followed by tranny abuse.
That's how I interpret the manual.
01-10-2009, 09:28 PM
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You're an idiot. I purposefully make statements without including a long argument behind them. They're elsewhere in the thread(s) and covered by many other people who have personally done the research. I'm simply agreeing with their conclusions.
01-10-2009, 09:57 PM
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What stops the dealer from refusing it based on the idea that a problem was caused by the launches but didn't actually fail until a month later? We all know that a problem might not actually show up right away. I'm not saying they will do that, but they very well might.
BUT, it is an altogether faulty interpretation to say that once VDC has been turned off, the warranty on the car has been voided.
01-11-2009, 01:14 PM
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What stops the dealer from refusing it based on the idea that a problem was caused by the launches but didn't actually fail until a month later? We all know that a problem might not actually show up right away. I'm not saying they will do that, but they very well might.
01-11-2009, 05:49 PM
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No. They are not.
Horsepower = acceleration. This is why the LT1 C4 Vettes are significantly faster then the L98 C4 Vettes....both weighed the same and had identical torque numbers but the LT1 made its torque at a higher RPM allowing MORE work(horsepower) to be done with the same amount of force.
Horsepower = acceleration. This is why the LT1 C4 Vettes are significantly faster then the L98 C4 Vettes....both weighed the same and had identical torque numbers but the LT1 made its torque at a higher RPM allowing MORE work(horsepower) to be done with the same amount of force.
01-11-2009, 06:03 PM
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Here it is This is from page 9 of the warranty manual FROM NISSAN.
http://www.nissanusa.com/pdf/techpub...09_GTR_WIB.pdf
This warranty does not cover damage, failures or corrosion
resulting from:
■ Accident, theft, fi re, driving through water (including
engine water ingestion) or misuse, which includes, but
is not limited to, operation in violation of any applicable
law and racing of any sort whatsoever (Proper use is
outlined in your OWNER’S MANUAL).
■ Alteration, tampering or improper repair, including but
not limited to adding/replacing chips, reprogramming,
or attempting to reprogram, alter, or disconnect any
computer or control unit.
■ Operating the vehicle with the Vehicle Dynamic Control
(VDC) off, except when rocking vehicle when stuck in
mud or snow (see GT-R Owner's Manual).■ Installation of non-Nissan approved accessories or
components.■ Improper installation of any Nissan approved or
aftermarket accessory or component.
■ Glass breakage, unless resulting from defects in material
http://www.nissanusa.com/pdf/techpub...09_GTR_WIB.pdf
This warranty does not cover damage, failures or corrosion
resulting from:
■ Accident, theft, fi re, driving through water (including
engine water ingestion) or misuse, which includes, but
is not limited to, operation in violation of any applicable
law and racing of any sort whatsoever (Proper use is
outlined in your OWNER’S MANUAL).
■ Alteration, tampering or improper repair, including but
not limited to adding/replacing chips, reprogramming,
or attempting to reprogram, alter, or disconnect any
computer or control unit.
■ Operating the vehicle with the Vehicle Dynamic Control
(VDC) off, except when rocking vehicle when stuck in
mud or snow (see GT-R Owner's Manual).■ Installation of non-Nissan approved accessories or
components.■ Improper installation of any Nissan approved or
aftermarket accessory or component.
■ Glass breakage, unless resulting from defects in material
Operating the vehicle with the Vehicle Dynamic Control (VDC) off, except when rocking vehicle when stuck in mud or snow (see GT-R Owner's Manual).
Looks clear to me! If damage is a result of operating with the VDC off, it's not covered. It does not read 'if VDC is turned off, warranty is voided'. Its a contract written in Nissan's favor...basically, Nissan reserves the right to interpret the black box reading. If any damage happens with the VDC off and then failure happens later, "this warranty does not cover".
01-11-2009, 06:38 PM
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...it is still somewhat speculative of course but we all know what most service departments will attempt to say in a scenario such as that. 
02-18-2009, 10:24 AM
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