ULTIMATEORANGESS

iTrader: (4)

again you miss my point. i was suggesting he buy a non union made car since he hates the UAW so much. you sure dont seem pro union to me.

ULTIMATEORANGESS

iTrader: (4)

as ive been trying to say which you keep missing over and over is decling sales for decades is overall the blame of leadership. while work stoppages as ive agreed can have a short term impact if they made competitive vehicles people would still buy them which they havent. less sales equals less money. simple.


since youre so anti UAW you really should buy a foreign made vehicle from a non union manufacturer. i think youd be hasppier.

ULTIMATEORANGESS

iTrader: (4)

why dont you two go hold hands somewhere.

ULTIMATEORANGESS

iTrader: (4)

it has nothing to do with assembly line workers.

ULTIMATEORANGESS

iTrader: (4)

with the paragraphs you posy they require simple answers thats hard to believe.

ULTIMATEORANGESS

iTrader: (4)

i dont have a degree nor do i work for a union employer but ive been in the work force awhile and have seen how things work.


its pretty obvious to me what the main contributors are to the big threes failures. bottom line leadership takes credit for a co. success and takes the heat when they fail. game over.

ChaseSS

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hahaha.... no wannabess, you've made it clear that you feel no company should be able to turn a profit and companies have "responsibilities" to which they should go out of business before actually turning a profit. I don't have an anti-union agenda, I have an anti-entitlement agenda. Anything can be accomplished through hard work, but you can keep pushing your agenda and how evil businesses are.

your argument is laughable at best, looks like a bunch of a high school educated unskilled workers will be looking for new jobs and don't have the job security they thought they did, so please tell me how I would envy them right now? I'll stick with working for a company I can move up in and not stay in the same place all my life... and since they have little to offer any other company, a new job will be a littler harder to find. But i don't blame the workers, they were just riding the gravy train and I can't blame them for that, but GM's cost structure was unsustainable, and the UAW contributed to that. I'd really like to know how you don't put any burden on the UAW at all? Tunnel vision? Narrow minded? There are many things that brought these companies down and the UAW is one of them, you have yet to show any evidence suggesting otherwise

ChaseSS

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how do you call that a short term impact???

And for the 10th time it doesn't matter how much they are selling because they are losing money on the vehicles they sell!! what don't you understand about that

really? So please explain to me why the 2nd largest automotive SALES company can't turn a profit in the last 5 years? If they are selling more than every company except for one, toyota, please explain, I'm all ears and you can bless me with your brilliant understanding of how the auto business really works

your arguments are spiraling downward, when possible, I buy American. Foreign vs. American is a whole other argument in and of itself, pertains nothing to what we are talking about so please grow up

Spoolin

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Being labeled as pro this or con that is irrelevant to me. I think Unions have an important place in society and in the work force. I have nothing against the UAW and it's members but I do have a problem with the leadership that has been elected to run it.
I consider having a black or white stance on any generalized topic usually leads to ignorance and blind allegiance.

ChaseSS

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I guess that would be my general feeling as well. I'm not anti union - I'm a general contractor and use a union workforce more than 50% of the time, they don't throw picket lines on me even though they know I have and do use some non-union subcontractors, bottom line is I am giving them business and their prices are competitive with non-union counterparts. The unions I work with seem much, much, much easier going than the UAW and I value their work.

I simply feel the UAW overstepped its boundaries, if some can't admit that then we have a serious disagreement and neither side looks like its giving in so I'm done arguing it. (if you want to call it the "UAW leadership" then fine, I was simply referring to "UAW" as the people running the UAW)

Blakbird24

iTrader: (24)

ahem...

Please fully read a statement and make sure you comprehend it before responding.

Thank you.

slick1851

If any of you idiots can think, they just handed over money to GM


They now have to build better qaulity cars, that are more EPA freindly!


You do rember car makers are the ones who didnt want seat belts or air bags in cars, they goverment made them add those safty features.


Dont have so much faith in no name faceless companys, because there are alot more AIGs out there than you think!



Lets not forget the **** boxes from the late 70s to early 90s the general has been feeding use. Notice how there all rusted out fucken junks!

slick1851

Were does health cares come from?

How important is health care when you have kids and a family


Think about that, because that big fucken company doesnt give a ****

Spoolin

iTrader: (8)

OMG...

beerwhiskeyjoe

Then save some ******* money and buy healthcare, loser.

Do you have even the slightest idea what 'libertarian' means? Got news for you boss, democrats took over the rnc, NOT libertarians.

wannabess00

iTrader: (1)

So thats what Jesus would say huh lol? How dare you let your child develop cancer and Autism and Mental Retardation...idiots! I dont know why people choose to let their kids get sick


Do you? People that believe govt is best served by sitting on its hands? Actually, Eisenhower thought the same of Goldwater's ideas and thats why he didnt campaign much for him in 64. You see a Libertarians share the belief for advocating individual liberties while diminishing the duties of a central authority. However when you combine the conservatism with this ideology it can commonly be refereed two as "fusionism" which is the implementing of conservatism into libertarianism. Like what the conservative belief structure primarily is. Like Ol' Grandpa Ronnie said "Government isnt the solution to our problems, Government is the problem" Sounds like a real liberal lol! See the fact that they didnt follow the creed doesnt make them democrats. It makes them liars! Kinda like many democrats a patronizers

wannabess00

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I think whats laughable is the idea that we are both arguing on the same page. I think we can agree theres a big difference between what I think is vital in a citizens life and what you do. I think health care is a mutual responsibility and a human right where as you view it as you view it as an individual responsibility and a requirement of continuing advancement. So its easy to see that while you think its asking too much for workers to receive health care I see it as a requirement for workers and there families. You cant hold a worker responsible for the enormous cost of it and families dont need it any less then they did. Theres no denying that a health care companies primary means of profit is through lack of coverage to its base or raising its costs to counter a loss from higher fees. And while you most likely view a worker without a college degree less productive to society, I tend to believe in the Nixon view of "Every job counts, up to the hilt" and see even the gas station worker every bit as needed as an accountant and there fore deserving of health care.

wannabess00

iTrader: (1)

Sums up my whole view on this crisis from the government from the last 8 years and business.
"There's an old saying that victory has a thousand fathers and defeat is an orphan" John F. Kennedy