Chrysler won't repay bailout money
05-08-2009, 01:34 PM
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Well apparently not everyone at Toyota got the message. Because the workers that build Toyota products in this country are UAW. Not all of them, but some of their top products like the Camry and the Tacoma are built by union workers. Govt oversight hasnt fixed health care in america, govt oversight hasnt stopped companies from taking american jobs and moving them outta the U.S. Yeah, it may make the work place safer and less hazardous. But Govt oversight hasnt fixed these issues and if they did I think we'd see an auto industry that can be more prosperous
05-08-2009, 01:41 PM
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Japan isn't the only country over seas, so where is this mega growth at? And if Japan is the only country blocking us, what about the other ohhhh 20 places we sell?
I'm not saying that I think it's fair that Japan blocks us, or taxes us. But lets not blame all of this on some fair tax by Japan when people are saying, "Gm has great growth over seas"
I'm not saying that I think it's fair that Japan blocks us, or taxes us. But lets not blame all of this on some fair tax by Japan when people are saying, "Gm has great growth over seas"
Fact is that Japan is the number one importer if automobiles and parts to the US yet doesn't allow fair trade in their country. You were commenting
"Everyone keeps saying how unfair it is for the US to sell cars over seas, now your saying they have no problem selling over seas?"
And my point is that not all overseas countries are unfair to the US with trade. We have a Favored Nation agreement with China. The biggest problem in the automotive industry for the US is Japan- unfair trade, currency manipulation and our own government.
05-08-2009, 02:20 PM
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You know I keep hearing more and more of this from people who like to complain about this. Ya know its very easy for someone to complain after the fact about this. Truth is, this country has been careless and wreckless since the 50s and have only gotten worse. Where were the protests and demos when NAFTA was passed? Who was voted outta office after the fact? Who was it saying govt needed to fix health care but not properly because thats "Socialist"(as if we have any understanding of socialism) and made American workers more expensive. Who was it that said profit at all costs and your problems arent my problems??
WE ONLY HAVE OURSELVES TO BLAME FOR THIS!!! We let this petty politics divide us and makes us terrified of change.
WE ONLY HAVE OURSELVES TO BLAME FOR THIS!!! We let this petty politics divide us and makes us terrified of change.
05-08-2009, 02:36 PM
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The only UAW workers assembling for Toyota are working in a GM joint venture plant- unless something has changed. That was an agreement that was made a long time ago and they are trying to get out of it. They are moving more and more production of the Tacoma to Mexico and Corolla to Canada.
Oh off topic a second GM and Toyota have worked together on quite a few cars. The Geo Prizm was a Corolla, and Toyota sold the Cavalier in Japan, and since the Cavalier went away they have worked together on this Vibe/Matrix thing at NUMMI.
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05-08-2009, 04:00 PM
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The only UAW workers assembling for Toyota are working in a GM joint venture plant- unless something has changed. That was an agreement that was made a long time ago and they are trying to get out of it. They are moving more and more production of the Tacoma to Mexico and Corolla to Canada.
05-08-2009, 04:03 PM
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That quote right there is why we're to blame. We expect nothing from them, they have no consequences if they screw up, they divide us into camps so we can blame the other side for our problems. If we want to be apathetic towards our govt and let the extremists run the country then bail outs it what we get in return
05-08-2009, 04:28 PM
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That quote right there is why we're to blame. We expect nothing from them, they have no consequences if they screw up, they divide us into camps so we can blame the other side for our problems. If we want to be apathetic towards our govt and let the extremists run the country then bail outs it what we get in return
05-08-2009, 05:24 PM
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I never thought that, nor did Obama ever claim that. No great president in history has ever not made note several times for the assistance of the citizens.
I think Chrysler has done a heck of a good job producing cars unlike GM. But they exist on the same unfair playing field as GM and are going to fall prey to the harsh and unfair laws that go against them running in this country. Dont get me wrong GM is my all time favorite company
I think Chrysler has done a heck of a good job producing cars unlike GM. But they exist on the same unfair playing field as GM and are going to fall prey to the harsh and unfair laws that go against them running in this country. Dont get me wrong GM is my all time favorite company
05-08-2009, 07:17 PM
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05-08-2009, 08:00 PM
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Unfortunatley this country has lost sight of what our governments function is/should be. I agree completley that we as a whole (regardless of what party you support) do not hold our elected officials accountable for screw ups. Instead we **** and moan and elect the garabage from the other party. It is starting to remind me of that Simpsons episode where the two aliens run for president. I think of events in our countries past where we took to the streets for less offenses, yet nothing for these almost fairy tale like expenditures?
Regardless back to the original post, failing companies need to be allowed to fail. That may seem redundant but apparently not enough. If a buisness is failing there is a reason. You can't throw money at your problems and hope they go away thats stupidity and for some reason the government bought into it. This should not be a suprise nor sholud the rest of the money that does not get paid back from the other companys who took it. I see this happening and I can't help but wonder how high my taxes are going to be in the near future.
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Regardless back to the original post, failing companies need to be allowed to fail. That may seem redundant but apparently not enough. If a buisness is failing there is a reason. You can't throw money at your problems and hope they go away thats stupidity and for some reason the government bought into it. This should not be a suprise nor sholud the rest of the money that does not get paid back from the other companys who took it. I see this happening and I can't help but wonder how high my taxes are going to be in the near future.
~Jim~
05-08-2009, 09:50 PM
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05-08-2009, 10:18 PM
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Unfortunatley this country has lost sight of what our governments function is/should be. I agree completley that we as a whole (regardless of what party you support) do not hold our elected officials accountable for screw ups. Instead we **** and moan and elect the garabage from the other party. It is starting to remind me of that Simpsons episode where the two aliens run for president. I think of events in our countries past where we took to the streets for less offenses, yet nothing for these almost fairy tale like expenditures?
Regardless back to the original post, failing companies need to be allowed to fail. That may seem redundant but apparently not enough. If a buisness is failing there is a reason. You can't throw money at your problems and hope they go away thats stupidity and for some reason the government bought into it. This should not be a suprise nor sholud the rest of the money that does not get paid back from the other companys who took it. I see this happening and I can't help but wonder how high my taxes are going to be in the near future.
~Jim~
Regardless back to the original post, failing companies need to be allowed to fail. That may seem redundant but apparently not enough. If a buisness is failing there is a reason. You can't throw money at your problems and hope they go away thats stupidity and for some reason the government bought into it. This should not be a suprise nor sholud the rest of the money that does not get paid back from the other companys who took it. I see this happening and I can't help but wonder how high my taxes are going to be in the near future.
~Jim~
In most cases yes, But I say sell the companies rather than letting them fail. And while I think the car companies have had some poor management and made poor choices, I think that we must also recognize that the playing field has been somewhat unfair for American car companies to profit. Its not the guys building the cars they dont like, its the currency rate and health care and the fact that working Americans arent raking in the money to buy their products
05-09-2009, 02:45 PM
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This is such ******* Bullshit. I payed over $15,000 in taxes last year and for what? Anyone want to start donating funds, i have a plan. Im going to start buiying up all the national add space i can, and try to convince people to completely boycott Chrysler, ITS NOT OK TO STEAL FROM TAXPAYERS. And also boycott AIG.
05-09-2009, 05:51 PM
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No i am pretty sure he wont fix much. You should probably work with him more and give him some of your thoughts. He sure knows how to throw away are tax dollars. I have nothing against him but this is not the change i thought he would bring.
05-09-2009, 06:04 PM
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Bush is responsible for the bailout, it had nothing to do with Obama, he just got this crap dropped into his lap, he inherited it along with the oval office. I dont think he just said they could have it either, its legalities it sounds like.