2002_Z28_Six_Speed

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+1

California ***** with two things guys have to have.

High performance autos and guns.

Kalifornia can keep its commie ways. I like many parts of that state but I don't need socialism so I gave up that dream.

XpEdItIoUs

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**** cali.

Mong00z

Fu(K tree-hugging car haters!!!

RaggedRides

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So... say we get our cars to damn near half their current fuel demand and consume less fuel with these new standards. I don't see the government taking that hit on oil's tax revenue. Taxation on petrol products will be adjusted accordingly and you'll be out just as much cash. 50mpg might as well be 8 when the price of gas pegs $8.00 a gallon or something outrageous.

2000Hawk

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I wonder that as well when we start buying less oil from the Arabs, what's going to happen to the price of gas? I'm sure it's going to go up, and then what? Oh right the good ol' boys in Washington will say "don't worry my fellow Americans the price of gas may be higher, but with extra mileage our cars get you will spend less time at the pump." So sure your going less to the pump, but are going to get raped everytime you have to. But don't worry our "savior" will fix everything by sprinkling "change" dust out of his @ss.
-Joel

LCplmarine98

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I agree i live in cali due to the military, origianlly from colorado (emissions are almost just as gay) Thats why my car is still registerd in washington where i havent lived in 3 years but they have no emissions. In cali i jsut had to get a tailpipe test for base decals and some retard at the local Chevron i paid to do the test failed me cause of a highly modified vehicle, i have an LS6 intake w/ mod to keep emission and a P&P TB and he was so mad at me cause i Tampered with it. Its all stock just made to flow better helping peformance, hence helping mileage. Thats all us guys are doing trying to make our cars perfrom better so they can get better mileage. We do our part to help the enviroment

Spoolin

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Thank god for you two!!

to everyone else in this thread. Talk about N.I.M.B.Y.

And correct me if I'm wrong but doesn't the fastest production vehicle rated at ~1200hp meet current emissions standards. None of this means we can't go fast, it means we have to actually pay more attention to how we do it.

PopaPork

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I think i've seen some pretty fast/high HP/modded cars come out of Cali so everyone crying that there is no performance coming out of Cali is just plain looney. Sure they might have restriction on what they can put in but there are still fast cars out there.
And like the two others have said these standards are across the entire line of cars a company makes, so Gm will have to throw in 3 or 3 cars that get 50 miles a gallon to off set the v8. Bit whoop?

Unfortunately we will probably never drill Alaska, or throw some more rigs off the coast of the Carolinas and Texas, to many left nuts have pretty much nailed that shut for us, so we will have to import oil from everyone else, untill we figure something out. But wouldn't it be nice if say in 15 years your driving your kids in a rolling battery to soccer camp, and when it's nice and sunny out you're burring the petro? I'd rather have it that way then have it no way, then have my SS run on hope, dreams, gum drops and looly pops.

Spoolin

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What's funny is there are people that are expressing their distaste about the war in Iraq, the state of foreign affairs, the economy and that the country is going downhill yet in the same post turn around and bitch that omg their gonna impose tougher emissions standards on the country and it's gonna effect me.

Freedom is a RESPONSIBILITY and NOT a privilege people.

DarkblueTA

Amen!

jimmy169

There's a lot of ways to get around it, with my old dsm I'd just install a stock exhuast, detune the car, pass emissions, then put back the aftermarket exhuast with no cat, call it a day. Or you can buy a high flow cat, if your car is legal now I doubt it won't be legal with the new rule's, just change the tune to pass emissions, then change it back. But all in all imo it's good to have the government finally set a much better standard for better gas mileage vehicle's because it'll leave more money in our pockets to mod our cars that we would otherwise send to the middle east (but they won't realize that, until gas is back at 4-5 bux a gallon then they'll be blaming the government for something else). They can and will still make fast cars, it'll just be offset by grocery getter's and regular vehicle's that are 40+mpg, instead of 20-30. And better mpg trucks would be a huge benefit to many businesses.

But honestly if there's one thing I've learned on this site aspecially when it come's to politics, arguing on here is like arguing with fox news, when you find yourself doing it or getting sucked in (and here I did, argh) just STOP,and realize who your arguing with...most of these people still think Obama is a terrorist.

There was a funny bit on the daily show the other day where John Stewart is trying to make a point about what fox news said and then he stops and hits his head with his hand and goes "DAMNIT WHY AM I ARGUING WITH FOX NEWS AGAIN, DAMNIT JOHN STOP DOING THAT!" Point is it's a gigantic waste of time and energy.

Super Speed

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Did you watch this video?


They have a segment over why they are doing this with emissions...

I'm not to sure about how much of it is true, but they make some good points!

KeyserWS6

It's hilarious reading a typical liberal stereotying of Fox news and those who watch it. But what else would you expect from someone who takes advice from John Stewart?

nanokpsi

The longest journeys still begin with one small step. I prefer not to take ANY steps in any direction of socialists tendancies. Giving public funs to the private sector surely constitutes that.

We need to worry less about fixing the US's bad image in the world, and fixing our own damn problems. I don't see how requiring the entire nation to fall under the same quidelines for pullotion with a state that has a hugely dense population.

KameleonTransAm

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Exactly! Everyone on here just looooves the environment so much .

infinitebird

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If you get your news ONLY from Fox, you are no better than someone getting it only from Stewart.

Fox has plenty of bias and it's pretty obvious. Best you can do is look at the news from a variety of different perspectives. Fox is prone to a lot of the same sensationalism from the right wing that you see from the left wing on MSNBC.

jimmy169

I don't but I love his sarcasm. Fox news is so biast I'm surprised it's not illegal. msnbc is very biast towards the left i think trying to level out fox new's biast. CNN is ok but seems a little more biast to the left but they try to stay neutral and have lou dobbs who is extremely biast to the right for a so called independent.

I think I have a pretty level headed idea of who's biast towards what party in politics, and i don't even mind lou dobbs to tell the truth, but some of the things fox news aspecially hannity says make's my stomach turn. When you have a news organization trying to make out a good genuine person who happens to disagree with them on some political issues, trying to insinuate he's a terrorist to risk his safety and the safety of his 2 daughter's disgusts me. To what end would they do that to try to insinuate someone is a terrorist and pals around with those that tried to bomb our country, that's rediculous and it endanger's the live's of him and his family and for what, because he's a liberal democrat? It blows my mind that a so called "fair and balanced" news organization can get away with these sort of things, and so many hatefilled retards believe them, but i'm sure it's not their intention...they could care less as long as it scares people from voting for em, not based on truth or facts or opinion, but straight lies and twisting of everything they can possibly come up with...the guy's not a terrorist, and he doesn't pal around with them in his living room...this is why they call them rethuglicans, when they stoop to that kind of low.

2000Hawk

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You guys(spoolin, infinite) can say what you want, but when I mid my car I want to be able to install whatever I want. I don't want my selection of parts to be cut in half, because some **** from California and Washington feels I should change to their standard. The standard they are promoting is for new factory cars, I understand. But when the years start rolling by, how long will it be till they pass a bill to get cars/trucks that are x amount of years old off the road? You guys may say "oh that will never happen." But you know this government will make an excuse saying the older cars are canceling out the good the newer cars are making in the environent. I still say this is just the beginning in this government controlling what we drive, or more like what we choose to drive.
-Joel

** Infinite, not sure how up to date you sig is but got a question. Noticed you deleted the AIR, EGR, and Cats on you 95 Z28. Why did you take that stuff off your car?

RPM WS6

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What's funny is that you totally missed the point, that we have all these national issues (war in Iraq, the state of foreign affairs, the economy and that the country is going downhill, as you stated), yet the government is worried about creating tougher emissions standards. Glad to see our well paid leaders are worried about fixing a pin hole before the crater....

infinitebird

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I bought it with no cats. I took off the AIR/EGR to clean up the engine bay. I think you may have misunderstood my position though, I said in my previous post that I was definitely NOT for making CA emissions requirements national. In fact I said one of the reasons I'm not that concerned yet about CAFE is that I have not seen that in there.

If the gov wants to make it required for new cars, I don't have an issue with that. Most people don't even know what any of that is nor do they care. That will reduce overall emissions. But I definitely think that the gov should leave people who want to mod their cars the hell alone. Once you buy a car, it is YOUR car, and you should be able to do whatever you want to it.