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yup, sure is because when it all comes to be said and done who is doing what they say. i'm sorry i don't nut hug a politicians every word like a fan boy. i bet i should have believed bush when he said iraq had wmd too huh? i bet you believe anything you read in the paper, don't you.

my point is that while we are following these strict bullshit guidelines these ***** won't. when was the last time we had a honest politician. i don't think we ever have.
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Well um actually yes, they did. Chemical weapons out the *** and lots of yellow cake uranium. Cant attest to the uranium but I personally saw the chemical weapons. I bet you believe everything you see on the news dont you?

Sorry...moving on...
and that was all over the news too wasn't it?

chemical weapons and yellow cake uranium does not mean they have wmd's. do you even know the percentage of uranium it takes to make weapons grade material. here is a hint, a nuclear power plant uses 5% 235 which is far from weapons grade.


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I'm sorry I'm not an *** kisser and a follower, this is why i didn't stay in the military.i guess it is hard for you to view my point of the government should set an example. is that hard for you to take in the head?
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Originally Posted by XxGarbSxX
Al Gore favors enacting both the carbon credits and cap and trade systems. Al Gore's home energy usage is significantly higher than the average home. He also "purchases" carbon credits. I used the quotes for a reason. 5 points to anyone who knows why.

The fact of the matter is this: the government is using the "green movement" to gain more power, and using the justification of saving the planet to keep public opinion in their favor. What they are doing is reprehensible, unconstitutional, and makes me sick to my stomach.


I'm not Gore supporter, but I know the claim his home uses more engery then the average home is a bit bogus. His house isn't the size of the 'average' home. I think he's house is 3 times the size of the average home, and both he and his wife run a business out of them.
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I'm not Gore supporter, but I know the claim his home uses more engery then the average home is a bit bogus. His house isn't the size of the 'average' home. I think he's house is 3 times the size of the average home, and both he and his wife run a business out of them.
and this is the type of **** im getting at.
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I'm not Gore supporter, but I know the claim his home uses more engery then the average home is a bit bogus. His house isn't the size of the 'average' home. I think he's house is 3 times the size of the average home, and both he and his wife run a business out of them.
Big deal, it's bigger. That's not the point. My parents' house is roughly 4 to 5 times the size of my apartment, yet it costs about half as much to heat in the winter and cool in the summer. You don't seem to know why I put quotes around "purchases" in regards to his carbon credits. Here's the deal

HE BUY CARBON CREDITS FROM THE COMPANY THAT HE OWNS! He's paying himself to offset his own "carbon footprint". Am I the only person that thinks that reeks of bullshit? Carbon credits are a blatantly bullshit moneymaking scheme and it's appalling that no one seems to have caught on yet.
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It's quite amazing that these fools legislate what and how much emissions our vehicles and our plants put out to the point of running our manufacturers out of business in this country. Of course, we import these same products back into this country from China, India and other places that have little to no emission regulations. So much for making the entire world cleaner.
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The govt is pushing for lower emissions and higher gas mileage too quickly . The automakers will have to make smaller, lighter vehicles to achieve this . This will be a Catch 22 as I think you will see more accident related deaths as a result. "Greener" but more bodies....
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Originally Posted by black84z28
and that was all over the news too wasn't it?

chemical weapons and yellow cake uranium does not mean they have wmd's. do you even know the percentage of uranium it takes to make weapons grade material. here is a hint, a nuclear power plant uses 5% 235 which is far from weapons grade.
I wouldnt know about the news, all I ever heard about was Kerry calling all of us retards and baby killers while I was away.

By the way chemical weapons are a weapon of mass destruction.

http://dictionary.reference.com/brow...%20destruction

If I recall correctly US Nuclear policy stated (not sure about today) that we would respond to any strike on US soil using WMD (bio, chem, or nuke) with nuke's.
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The govt is pushing for lower emissions and higher gas mileage too quickly . The automakers will have to make smaller, lighter vehicles to achieve this . This will be a Catch 22 as I think you will see more accident related deaths as a result. "Greener" but more bodies....
Which is why Im looking for a mid 60's car to restore. Id love to get into a wreck with a prius in my 69 Chevy step side pickup
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Originally Posted by ZMONSTER!
I wouldnt know about the news, all I ever heard about was Kerry calling all of us retards and baby killers while I was away.

By the way chemical weapons are a weapon of mass destruction.

http://dictionary.reference.com/brow...%20destruction

If I recall correctly US Nuclear policy stated (not sure about today) that we would respond to any strike on US soil using WMD (bio, chem, or nuke) with nuke's.
i seriously hate politicians.
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hey I'm not saying it's 1005 truth I'm just saying it's bigger and older then the average house, so granted it's going to use more engery then the normal 2,000 sq foot house.
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The committee he put in charge of restructuring Chrysler and GM had NO ONE with automotive industry experience!! A couple of them didn't even drive cars. Yet they tell GM their plan is no good! I'm afraid are vehicle are now going to be made by government motors. How did we Americans let this happen. I know, we thought those whack job fringe people were too crazy for the dumb lemmings in this country to believe. It sucks to be wrong. This country won't be great again till people are American first, not latino, african american, muslim, indian, chinese and what ever else. Wouldn't have been nice if being nominated for the Supreme Court was a great honor by istself not a great honor for a hispanic.
I truly believe the problem is we now longer consider performance and capability as the primary ingredients traits to seek. We instead pick people based on how they fit, there nationality their connections how can they further my (not countrys) agenda. Call me crazy but this is just one small example of the problem. Is Obama new pick for Supreme Court Judge the best candidate for the job? Yes, shes smart, 2nd at Princeton, so thats good. But 60% of her decisions were overturned by a higher court. Doesn't sound like someone who graduated 2nd? Could it be her decisions are based on her political beliefs and not the LAW? She quoted a marxist in her yearbook. Don't worry about that, says the wonderful news. Just like Obama's political ties don't matter. PLEASE AMERICA WAKE UP
I'm so tried of hearing Bush this and Bush that. I never once heard him make excuses for AMERCA. I absolutely do not agree with everything he did.
BUT on a grand scale what we got was classic.
THE GRASS IS NOT ALWAYS GREENER ON THE OTHER SIDE.
Change for the sake of Change is Retarded but thats what happened.
The middle of the road is always best for the masses. Hello, America the person with the single most liberal/progressive (SOCIALIST) voting record was voted in. Now I know you all believed what you heard and read. He talks middle of the road but if you look at the man, he votes far left.
Just like me, I consider myself a right leaning centrist. I believe the average democrat in any town USA is probably middle left. This being said this far left fringe/whacko agenda is going to completely change this country. I fear and not for the better.
You do not have to worry about your muscle car emissions testing. You, unless your part of the ruling elite will not be able to afford to drive it to the inspection station.

Check (means stop for any of you that weren't in the military) your thinking anyway, COMRADE it is not good for glorious people of the Socialist Republic of America for you to drive your pretentious taste of excess from the past. You can do more for the motherland by taking the new Glorious State High Speed Rail.

This all sounds 1) funny to some of you.
2) crazy to some of you.
3) scary to me.

God Help Us All

Yes, I said god, I suppose some people out there want me to take all references to GOD out of my writings. I will not! Letsnot forget the fact that this country was founded by people of Christian beliefs.

NOT GONNA HAPPEN!

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http://www.americansolutions.com/tak...ion/index3.php

Just listen, and think.

We have already lost so much manufacturing to other countries. When we have even higher prices for energy here what will happen. We will lose more to overseas. Do these third world countries where labor is cheap have tight carbon emission standard or cap and trade. NO, therefore this effort to stop this so called gobal warming won’t work anyway. We will just lose more JOBS and export the process to countries that have less pollution regulations and further hurt the environment. \
I’m I MISSING SOMETHING, please so me the error of my thinking.
Wake up AMERICA before its to late.
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Originally Posted by BRD-PREY
The committee he put in charge of restructuring Chrysler and GM had NO ONE with automotive industry experience!! A couple of them didn't even drive cars. Yet they tell GM their plan is no good! I'm afraid are vehicle are now going to be made by government motors. How did we Americans let this happen. I know, we thought those whack job fringe people were too crazy for the dumb lemmings in this country to believe. It sucks to be wrong. This country won't be great again till people are American first, not latino, african american, muslim, indian, chinese and what ever else. Wouldn't have been nice if being nominated for the Supreme Court was a great honor by istself not a great honor for a hispanic.
I truly believe the problem is we now longer consider performance and capability as the primary ingredients traits to seek. We instead pick people based on how they fit, there nationality their connections how can they further my (not countrys) agenda. Call me crazy but this is just one small example of the problem. Is Obama new pick for Supreme Court Judge the best candidate for the job? Yes, shes smart, 2nd at Princeton, so thats good. But 60% of her decisions were overturned by a higher court. Doesn't sound like someone who graduated 2nd? Could it be her decisions are based on her political beliefs and not the LAW? She quoted a marxist in her yearbook. Don't worry about that, says the wonderful news. Just like Obama's political ties don't matter. PLEASE AMERICA WAKE UP
I'm so tried of hearing Bush this and Bush that. I never once heard him make excuses for AMERCA. I absolutely do not agree with everything he did.
BUT on a grand scale what we got was classic.
THE GRASS IS NOT ALWAYS GREENER ON THE OTHER SIDE.
Change for the sake of Change is Retarded but thats what happened.
The middle of the road is always best for the masses. Hello, America the person with the single most liberal/progressive (SOCIALIST) voting record was voted in. Now I know you all believed what you heard and read. He talks middle of the road but if you look at the man, he votes far left.
Just like me, I consider myself a right leaning centrist. I believe the average democrat in any town USA is probably middle left. This being said this far left fringe/whacko agenda is going to completely change this country. I fear and not for the better.
You do not have to worry about your muscle car emissions testing. You, unless your part of the ruling elite will not be able to afford to drive it to the inspection station.

Check (means stop for any of you that weren't in the military) your thinking anyway, COMRADE it is not good for glorious people of the Socialist Republic of America for you to drive your pretentious taste of excess from the past. You can do more for the motherland by taking the new Glorious State High Speed Rail.

This all sounds 1) funny to some of you.
2) crazy to some of you.
3) scary to me.

God Help Us All

Yes, I said god, I suppose some people out there want me to take all references to GOD out of my writings. I will not! Letsnot forget the fact that this country was founded by people of Christian beliefs.
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Originally Posted by BRD-PREY
The committee he put in charge of restructuring Chrysler and GM had NO ONE with automotive industry experience!! A couple of them didn't even drive cars. Yet they tell GM their plan is no good! I'm afraid are vehicle are now going to be made by government motors. How did we Americans let this happen. I know, we thought those whack job fringe people were too crazy for the dumb lemmings in this country to believe. It sucks to be wrong. This country won't be great again till people are American first, not latino, african american, muslim, indian, chinese and what ever else. Wouldn't have been nice if being nominated for the Supreme Court was a great honor by istself not a great honor for a hispanic.
I truly believe the problem is we now longer consider performance and capability as the primary ingredients traits to seek. We instead pick people based on how they fit, there nationality their connections how can they further my (not countrys) agenda. Call me crazy but this is just one small example of the problem. Is Obama new pick for Supreme Court Judge the best candidate for the job? Yes, shes smart, 2nd at Princeton, so thats good. But 60% of her decisions were overturned by a higher court. Doesn't sound like someone who graduated 2nd? Could it be her decisions are based on her political beliefs and not the LAW? She quoted a marxist in her yearbook. Don't worry about that, says the wonderful news. Just like Obama's political ties don't matter. PLEASE AMERICA WAKE UP
I'm so tried of hearing Bush this and Bush that. I never once heard him make excuses for AMERCA. I absolutely do not agree with everything he did.
BUT on a grand scale what we got was classic.
THE GRASS IS NOT ALWAYS GREENER ON THE OTHER SIDE.
Change for the sake of Change is Retarded but thats what happened.
The middle of the road is always best for the masses. Hello, America the person with the single most liberal/progressive (SOCIALIST) voting record was voted in. Now I know you all believed what you heard and read. He talks middle of the road but if you look at the man, he votes far left.
Just like me, I consider myself a right leaning centrist. I believe the average democrat in any town USA is probably middle left. This being said this far left fringe/whacko agenda is going to completely change this country. I fear and not for the better.
You do not have to worry about your muscle car emissions testing. You, unless your part of the ruling elite will not be able to afford to drive it to the inspection station.

Check (means stop for any of you that weren't in the military) your thinking anyway, COMRADE it is not good for glorious people of the Socialist Republic of America for you to drive your pretentious taste of excess from the past. You can do more for the motherland by taking the new Glorious State High Speed Rail.

This all sounds 1) funny to some of you.
2) crazy to some of you.
3) scary to me.

God Help Us All

Yes, I said god, I suppose some people out there want me to take all references to GOD out of my writings. I will not! Letsnot forget the fact that this country was founded by people of Christian beliefs.

NOT GONNA HAPPEN!
You really think its socialist or people acting under extraordinary circumstances? When you say "comrade" that leads me to think your confusing this with communism which isnt exactly socialism. Are you sure this isnt another case of bitterness because you lost the election in November. "When the guy that you disagree with gets elected hes probably gonna do things you disagree with. He could invade a country or cut taxes for the wealthy but thats not socialism, thats Democracy, its supposed to taste like a sh%t taco, And if I remember correctly when disagreement was expressed when ya'll were in power I think it was answered with "why do you hate America?" Watch what you say, love it or leave it, sux on my truck nut" who said it lol

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Thats funny, like the truck nuts that hang from the rear of my 2500HD Duramax. Yeah, well did you know some politician was trying to outlaw those in Florida.

But typical your disagreement contains no real counter points to my points:
1) The group overseeing auto restructuring has no experience.
2) America needs to come first!
3) Pick for the Supreme Court has 60% overturn rate.

FOR ONCE ADDRESS THE ISSUES, don't just spew hate talk.


You read but you did not comprehend, I said a moderate approach was better to government. Something down the middle. I spent 23 years in the Navy paying my dues to the country. I never said you a "you hate america". I said America needs to come first. PAY ATTENTON to what I SAID "I consider myself a right leaning centrist. I believe the average democrat in any town USA is probably middle left." I did complain and voice my dissatification with the far right agenda.

To address your point: Below is the webster definition for both I left which one was which off. Hard to tell isn't it comrade!

1: any of various economic and political theories advocating collective or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods 2 a: a system of society or group living in which there is no private property b: a system or condition of society in which the means of production are owned and controlled by the state : 3 a stage of society in Marxist theory transitional between capitalism and communism and distinguished by unequal distribution of goods and pay according to work done
1 a: a theory advocating elimination of private property b: a system in which goods are owned in common and are available to all as needed 2capitalized a: a doctrine based on revolutionary Marxian socialism and Marxism-Leninism that was the official ideology of the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics b: a totalitarian system of government in which a single authoritarian party controls state-owned means of production c: a final stage of society in Marxist theory in which the state has withered away and economic goods are distributed equitably
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i dont know why everyone is saying *** california when its the govt that is trying to pass this. and anyone who lives in cali that mods their cars SAYS *** THE POICE AND THE FED GOVT!!!!!!! i will agree that the emissions crap here in cali sucks ***, but rules WERE MEANT TO BE BROKEN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

i also agree to impeach BO he will not do anything for our country. i honestly can not believe he got voted in. i say bring back clinton lol.


it might be time to act upon our 2nd amendment seeing how the govt/ country is becoming out of control.
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lol why are you hating on cali? it's not like we're enforcing emissions laws on the country...

PS as someone who ACTUALLY lives in cali, there are plenty of fast cars here, because there are also plenty of crooked smog men... and I'm sure if it passes they'll be plenty more to go around...
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Originally Posted by BRD-PREY
Thats funny, like the truck nuts that hang from the rear of my 2500HD Duramax. Yeah, well did you know some politician was trying to outlaw those in Florida.

But typical your disagreement contains no real counter points to my points:
1) The group overseeing auto restructuring has no experience.
2) America needs to come first!
3) Pick for the Supreme Court has 60% overturn rate.

FOR ONCE ADDRESS THE ISSUES, don't just spew hate talk.
I think the majority of you on here bad mouthing the administration are bitter over the Nov. elections and want to make yourselves feel important and over exaggerate whats really being done. If you disagree with his ideas thats fine but to go further and act as if Stalin has taken over Washington D.C. is just insane and a big example of how well certain politicians have divided this country into camps and virtually shut all progress down. It makes it hard for me to take anyone seriously when it turns into a "Im so much of a patriot that ill bad mouth the evil tyrannical leader of our country". Why isnt it enough to just simply disagree without dramatizing it?

Furthermore, the auto execs sux something awful at running the auto industry so it shouldnt make a difference whos really doing it. I think they should have plenty of say so in how to fix it but I fail to see what difference it would make. GM has little understanding of a middle class auto industry and how to make cars for a large group of people that have little money. They make more great products that no one can afford to buy and need a major overhaul. I wish the guys from the 60s were still around then I can agree with ya more

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I think the majority of you on here bad mouthing the administration are bitter over the Nov. elections and want to make yourselves feel important and over exaggerate whats really being done. If you disagree with his ideas thats fine but to go further and act as if Stalin has taken over Washington D.C. is just insane and a big example of how well certain politicians have divided this country into camps and virtually shut all progress down. It makes it hard for me to take anyone seriously when it turns into a "Im so much of a patriot that ill bad mouth the evil tyrannical leader of our country". Why isnt it enough to just simply disagree without dramatizing it?

Furthermore, the auto execs sux something awful at running the auto industry so it shouldnt make a difference whos really doing it. I think they should have plenty of say so in how to fix it but I fail to see what difference it would make. GM has little understanding of a middle class auto industry and how to make cars for a large group of people that have little money. They make more great products that no one can afford to buy and need a major overhaul. I wish the guys from the 60s were still around then I can agree with ya more
I noticed your lack comment on the definitions: You were quick to say how over reactive I was being and that socialism is not communism. Did you notice websters or are they right wing bias too???

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