President Obama To Nationalize California Emission Standard & Stengthen CAFE
05-30-2009, 08:49 PM
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Yeah I noticed it and in no way see where youre going with it other then to make some comparison between socialism and communism. And im saying your making assertions based upon only 100+ days. Thats over reacting and immature. No ones banging on your door and placing you in prison camps or infringing your rights as a citizen. I think you need to settle down a little bit and just agree to disagree. If hes wrong then we vote him out of office as our DEMOCRATIC society does and he will gracefully step aside.
05-30-2009, 09:03 PM
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BRD-PREY, couple things.
Do you think putting something in huge type will really make it come across as any better reasoned?
Also, if you want to present an informed opinion it would be better to avoid distortions like this.
The person he picked for the Supreme Court had 3 cases overturned out of 380. 60% was of the cases reviewed by the SC. But since the SC will often just choose not to review a case that it agrees with, that means that her real overturn rate is 3/380 = 0.79%
Secondly, what does that even have to do with the topic of this thread? It's clear that you do not care for Obama. Fine. But you're just bringing in unrelated things that do nothing to add to the discussion on this topic, and that just makes you come across as non-objective about what you are saying regarding it.
Do you think putting something in huge type will really make it come across as any better reasoned?
Also, if you want to present an informed opinion it would be better to avoid distortions like this.
Originally Posted by BRD-PREY
3) Pick for the Supreme Court has 60% overturn rate.
Secondly, what does that even have to do with the topic of this thread? It's clear that you do not care for Obama. Fine. But you're just bringing in unrelated things that do nothing to add to the discussion on this topic, and that just makes you come across as non-objective about what you are saying regarding it.
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Secondly, what does that even have to do with the topic of this thread? It's clear that you do not care for Obama. Fine. But you're just bringing in unrelated things that do nothing to add to the discussion on this topic, and that just makes you come across as non-objective about what you are saying regarding it.
05-30-2009, 11:09 PM
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Clarification [SIZE="1"]The reason I used different size print is to bring out certain issues or points that get overlooked. Does this size print work better for your screen resolution.
1. To quote wannabess00 First you write this "leads me to think your confusing this with communism which isnt exactly socialism."
Then your write this, "[Yeah I noticed it and in no way see where youre going with it other then to make some comparison between socialism and communism"
Yet you don't see where I'm going with this????
I don't know just correcting view of socialism, it is a major step towards and not all that far away from communism.
So, yes I was saying that the issue is I wasn't confused, YOU didn't see the relationship./SIZE]
as far as "Obamas a father and reasonable human"
thats your criteria for leading the Country?????
My point is that has no bearing on his qualifications to lead the country.
P.S. Bush has kids
infinitebird Issue 2 first Not much in direct relation to the title, but it was long since hijacked, as I got into after WMD! The time I looked WMD hasn't been dropped on Cali or part of the emission standards penalty. i suppose
i'm really just scared not about change just the scope and breath of it. I see a way of life going away.
But on a small note I actually don't think Obama is the problem just a symptom of a bigger issue.
Issue 1 Fact they review 5 overturned 3.
Of the majority opinions that Judge Sonia Sotomayor has authored since becoming an appellate judge in 1998, three of her appellate opinions have been overturned by the Supreme Court.
Our search for appellate opinions by Sotomayor on the LexisNexis database returned 232 cases. That's a reversal rate of 1.3 percent.
But only five of her decisions have been reviewed by the justices. Using five as a denominator, the rate comes out to 60 percent.
source Newsweek hardly a right wing blog
My point is he picks people for jobs that aren't the best qualified! Thats the problem with are country the best aren't put where they can do the best for the country. I totally agree that both sides do it.
A person who cheats on his taxes is put in charge of the Treasury Department. Thats like putting me in charge of DOT. Pure Hypocrisy cut and dry. OUR COUNTRY ISN'T GOING TO GET ANY BETTER
UNTIL THIS STOPS!
I'm objective with how I look at the facts. I'm opinioned after I look at the facts. I don't think we have someone that is taking the country I love in the right direction.
Besides I have kept my discussions to Obama and his decision making, that reflects on how he decided on Nationalize California Emission Standard & Stengthen CAFE. I didn't bring up WMD, carbon footprint etc.
Ed
1. To quote wannabess00 First you write this "leads me to think your confusing this with communism which isnt exactly socialism."
Then your write this, "[Yeah I noticed it and in no way see where youre going with it other then to make some comparison between socialism and communism"
Yet you don't see where I'm going with this????
I don't know just correcting view of socialism, it is a major step towards and not all that far away from communism.
So, yes I was saying that the issue is I wasn't confused, YOU didn't see the relationship./SIZE]
as far as "Obamas a father and reasonable human"
thats your criteria for leading the Country?????
My point is that has no bearing on his qualifications to lead the country.
P.S. Bush has kids
infinitebird Issue 2 first Not much in direct relation to the title, but it was long since hijacked, as I got into after WMD! The time I looked WMD hasn't been dropped on Cali or part of the emission standards penalty. i suppose
i'm really just scared not about change just the scope and breath of it. I see a way of life going away.
But on a small note I actually don't think Obama is the problem just a symptom of a bigger issue.
Issue 1 Fact they review 5 overturned 3.
Of the majority opinions that Judge Sonia Sotomayor has authored since becoming an appellate judge in 1998, three of her appellate opinions have been overturned by the Supreme Court.
Our search for appellate opinions by Sotomayor on the LexisNexis database returned 232 cases. That's a reversal rate of 1.3 percent.
But only five of her decisions have been reviewed by the justices. Using five as a denominator, the rate comes out to 60 percent.
source Newsweek hardly a right wing blog
My point is he picks people for jobs that aren't the best qualified! Thats the problem with are country the best aren't put where they can do the best for the country. I totally agree that both sides do it.
A person who cheats on his taxes is put in charge of the Treasury Department. Thats like putting me in charge of DOT. Pure Hypocrisy cut and dry. OUR COUNTRY ISN'T GOING TO GET ANY BETTER
UNTIL THIS STOPS!
I'm objective with how I look at the facts. I'm opinioned after I look at the facts. I don't think we have someone that is taking the country I love in the right direction.
Besides I have kept my discussions to Obama and his decision making, that reflects on how he decided on Nationalize California Emission Standard & Stengthen CAFE. I didn't bring up WMD, carbon footprint etc.
Ed
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05-31-2009, 02:44 AM
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I think the majority of you on here bad mouthing the administration are bitter over the Nov. elections and want to make yourselves feel important and over exaggerate whats really being done. If you disagree with his ideas thats fine but to go further and act as if Stalin has taken over Washington D.C. is just insane and a big example of how well certain politicians have divided this country into camps and virtually shut all progress down. It makes it hard for me to take anyone seriously when it turns into a "Im so much of a patriot that ill bad mouth the evil tyrannical leader of our country". Why isnt it enough to just simply disagree without dramatizing it?
Furthermore, the auto execs sux something awful at running the auto industry so it shouldnt make a difference whos really doing it. I think they should have plenty of say so in how to fix it but I fail to see what difference it would make. GM has little understanding of a middle class auto industry and how to make cars for a large group of people that have little money. They make more great products that no one can afford to buy and need a major overhaul. I wish the guys from the 60s were still around then I can agree with ya more
Furthermore, the auto execs sux something awful at running the auto industry so it shouldnt make a difference whos really doing it. I think they should have plenty of say so in how to fix it but I fail to see what difference it would make. GM has little understanding of a middle class auto industry and how to make cars for a large group of people that have little money. They make more great products that no one can afford to buy and need a major overhaul. I wish the guys from the 60s were still around then I can agree with ya more
x 1000Thank you sir!!!
05-31-2009, 03:33 AM
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[SIZE="1"]The reason I used different size print is to bring out certain issues or points that get overlooked. Does this size print work better for your screen resolution.
1. To quote wannabess00 First you write this "leads me to think your confusing this with communism which isnt exactly socialism."
Then your write this, "[Yeah I noticed it and in no way see where youre going with it other then to make some comparison between socialism and communism"
Yet you don't see where I'm going with this????
I don't know just correcting view of socialism, it is a major step towards and not all that far away from communism.
So, yes I was saying that the issue is I wasn't confused, YOU didn't see the relationship./SIZE]
as far as "Obamas a father and reasonable human"
thats your criteria for leading the Country?????
My point is that has no bearing on his qualifications to lead the country.
P.S. Bush has kids
infinitebird Issue 2 first Not much in direct relation to the title, but it was long since hijacked, as I got into after WMD! The time I looked WMD hasn't been dropped on Cali or part of the emission standards penalty. i suppose
i'm really just scared not about change just the scope and breath of it. I see a way of life going away.
But on a small note I actually don't think Obama is the problem just a symptom of a bigger issue.
Issue 1 Fact they review 5 overturned 3.
Of the majority opinions that Judge Sonia Sotomayor has authored since becoming an appellate judge in 1998, three of her appellate opinions have been overturned by the Supreme Court.
Our search for appellate opinions by Sotomayor on the LexisNexis database returned 232 cases. That's a reversal rate of 1.3 percent.
But only five of her decisions have been reviewed by the justices. Using five as a denominator, the rate comes out to 60 percent.
source Newsweek hardly a right wing blog
My point is he picks people for jobs that aren't the best qualified! Thats the problem with are country the best aren't put where they can do the best for the country. I totally agree that both sides do it.
A person who cheats on his taxes is put in charge of the Treasury Department. Thats like putting me in charge of DOT. Pure Hypocrisy cut and dry. OUR COUNTRY ISN'T GOING TO GET ANY BETTER
UNTIL THIS STOPS!
I'm objective with how I look at the facts. I'm opinioned after I look at the facts. I don't think we have someone that is taking the country I love in the right direction.
Besides I have kept my discussions to Obama and his decision making, that reflects on how he decided on Nationalize California Emission Standard & Stengthen CAFE. I didn't bring up WMD, carbon footprint etc.
Ed
1. To quote wannabess00 First you write this "leads me to think your confusing this with communism which isnt exactly socialism."
Then your write this, "[Yeah I noticed it and in no way see where youre going with it other then to make some comparison between socialism and communism"
Yet you don't see where I'm going with this????
I don't know just correcting view of socialism, it is a major step towards and not all that far away from communism.
So, yes I was saying that the issue is I wasn't confused, YOU didn't see the relationship./SIZE]
as far as "Obamas a father and reasonable human"
thats your criteria for leading the Country?????
My point is that has no bearing on his qualifications to lead the country.
P.S. Bush has kids
infinitebird Issue 2 first Not much in direct relation to the title, but it was long since hijacked, as I got into after WMD! The time I looked WMD hasn't been dropped on Cali or part of the emission standards penalty. i suppose
i'm really just scared not about change just the scope and breath of it. I see a way of life going away.
But on a small note I actually don't think Obama is the problem just a symptom of a bigger issue.
Issue 1 Fact they review 5 overturned 3.
Of the majority opinions that Judge Sonia Sotomayor has authored since becoming an appellate judge in 1998, three of her appellate opinions have been overturned by the Supreme Court.
Our search for appellate opinions by Sotomayor on the LexisNexis database returned 232 cases. That's a reversal rate of 1.3 percent.
But only five of her decisions have been reviewed by the justices. Using five as a denominator, the rate comes out to 60 percent.
source Newsweek hardly a right wing blog
My point is he picks people for jobs that aren't the best qualified! Thats the problem with are country the best aren't put where they can do the best for the country. I totally agree that both sides do it.
A person who cheats on his taxes is put in charge of the Treasury Department. Thats like putting me in charge of DOT. Pure Hypocrisy cut and dry. OUR COUNTRY ISN'T GOING TO GET ANY BETTER
UNTIL THIS STOPS!
I'm objective with how I look at the facts. I'm opinioned after I look at the facts. I don't think we have someone that is taking the country I love in the right direction.
Besides I have kept my discussions to Obama and his decision making, that reflects on how he decided on Nationalize California Emission Standard & Stengthen CAFE. I didn't bring up WMD, carbon footprint etc.
Ed
Its ok to be somewhat brief. No one will think less of you. When you turn a reply into a lengthy rant it often gets over looked. My point in saying that hes a reasonable person and father is to humanize the character people like you have unfairly created him to be. One step in the direction of socialism or communism means nothing if another leader will just back step towards another type of "ism" lol.
And yes, this is getting way off topic.
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CAUTION: Off Topic/ lengthy article/Cali Emission is just small part wannabess00, infinitebird, I pasted yesterdays Pravda Russia's Newspaper Article. This is what I was trying to get across. The country is running now install of crawling towards a major change. I for one do not think was the future are countrys founders layed out for us. This is a Non US certainly not with a US political slant. They is anyone should know.
It must be said, that like the breaking of a great dam, the American decent into Marxism is happening with breath taking speed, against the back drop of a passive, hapless sheeple, excuse me dear reader, I meant people.
True, the situation has been well prepared on and off for the past century, especially the past twenty years. The initial testing grounds was conducted upon our Holy Russia and a bloody test it was. But we Russians would not just roll over and give up our freedoms and our souls, no matter how much money Wall Street poured into the fists of the Marxists.
Those lessons were taken and used to properly prepare the American populace for the surrender of their freedoms and souls, to the whims of their elites and betters.
First, the population was dumbed down through a politicized and substandard education system based on pop culture, rather then the classics. Americans know more about their favorite TV dramas then the drama in DC that directly affects their lives. They care more for their "right" to choke down a McDonalds burger or a BurgerKing burger than for their constitutional rights. Then they turn around and lecture us about our rights and about our "democracy". Pride blind the foolish.
Then their faith in God was destroyed, until their churches, all tens of thousands of different "branches and denominations" were for the most part little more then Sunday circuses and their televangelists and top protestant mega preachers were more then happy to sell out their souls and flocks to be on the "winning" side of one pseudo Marxist politician or another. Their flocks may complain, but when explained that they would be on the "winning" side, their flocks were ever so quick to reject Christ in hopes for earthly power. Even our Holy Orthodox churches are scandalously liberalized in America.
The final collapse has come with the election of Barack Obama. His speed in the past three months has been truly impressive. His spending and money printing has been a record setting, not just in America's short history but in the world. If this keeps up for more then another year, and there is no sign that it will not, America at best will resemble the Wiemar Republic and at worst Zimbabwe.
These past two weeks have been the most breath taking of all. First came the announcement of a planned redesign of the American Byzantine tax system, by the very thieves who used it to bankroll their thefts, loses and swindles of hundreds of billions of dollars. These make our Russian oligarchs look little more then ordinary street thugs, in comparison. Yes, the Americans have beat our own thieves in the shear volumes. Should we congratulate them?
It must be said, that like the breaking of a great dam, the American decent into Marxism is happening with breath taking speed, against the back drop of a passive, hapless sheeple, excuse me dear reader, I meant people.
True, the situation has been well prepared on and off for the past century, especially the past twenty years. The initial testing grounds was conducted upon our Holy Russia and a bloody test it was. But we Russians would not just roll over and give up our freedoms and our souls, no matter how much money Wall Street poured into the fists of the Marxists.
Those lessons were taken and used to properly prepare the American populace for the surrender of their freedoms and souls, to the whims of their elites and betters.
First, the population was dumbed down through a politicized and substandard education system based on pop culture, rather then the classics. Americans know more about their favorite TV dramas then the drama in DC that directly affects their lives. They care more for their "right" to choke down a McDonalds burger or a BurgerKing burger than for their constitutional rights. Then they turn around and lecture us about our rights and about our "democracy". Pride blind the foolish.
Then their faith in God was destroyed, until their churches, all tens of thousands of different "branches and denominations" were for the most part little more then Sunday circuses and their televangelists and top protestant mega preachers were more then happy to sell out their souls and flocks to be on the "winning" side of one pseudo Marxist politician or another. Their flocks may complain, but when explained that they would be on the "winning" side, their flocks were ever so quick to reject Christ in hopes for earthly power. Even our Holy Orthodox churches are scandalously liberalized in America.
The final collapse has come with the election of Barack Obama. His speed in the past three months has been truly impressive. His spending and money printing has been a record setting, not just in America's short history but in the world. If this keeps up for more then another year, and there is no sign that it will not, America at best will resemble the Wiemar Republic and at worst Zimbabwe.
These past two weeks have been the most breath taking of all. First came the announcement of a planned redesign of the American Byzantine tax system, by the very thieves who used it to bankroll their thefts, loses and swindles of hundreds of billions of dollars. These make our Russian oligarchs look little more then ordinary street thugs, in comparison. Yes, the Americans have beat our own thieves in the shear volumes. Should we congratulate them?
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wannabess00, infinitebird, I pasted yesterdays Pravda Russia's Newspaper Article. This is what I was trying to get across. The country is running now install of crawling towards a major change. I for one do not think was the future are countrys founders layed out for us. This is a Non US certainly not with a US political slant. They is anyone should know.
It must be said, that like the breaking of a great dam, the American decent into Marxism is happening with breath taking speed, against the back drop of a passive, hapless sheeple, excuse me dear reader, I meant people.
True, the situation has been well prepared on and off for the past century, especially the past twenty years. The initial testing grounds was conducted upon our Holy Russia and a bloody test it was. But we Russians would not just roll over and give up our freedoms and our souls, no matter how much money Wall Street poured into the fists of the Marxists.
Those lessons were taken and used to properly prepare the American populace for the surrender of their freedoms and souls, to the whims of their elites and betters.
First, the population was dumbed down through a politicized and substandard education system based on pop culture, rather then the classics. Americans know more about their favorite TV dramas then the drama in DC that directly affects their lives. They care more for their "right" to choke down a McDonalds burger or a BurgerKing burger than for their constitutional rights. Then they turn around and lecture us about our rights and about our "democracy". Pride blind the foolish.
Then their faith in God was destroyed, until their churches, all tens of thousands of different "branches and denominations" were for the most part little more then Sunday circuses and their televangelists and top protestant mega preachers were more then happy to sell out their souls and flocks to be on the "winning" side of one pseudo Marxist politician or another. Their flocks may complain, but when explained that they would be on the "winning" side, their flocks were ever so quick to reject Christ in hopes for earthly power. Even our Holy Orthodox churches are scandalously liberalized in America.
The final collapse has come with the election of Barack Obama. His speed in the past three months has been truly impressive. His spending and money printing has been a record setting, not just in America's short history but in the world. If this keeps up for more then another year, and there is no sign that it will not, America at best will resemble the Wiemar Republic and at worst Zimbabwe.
These past two weeks have been the most breath taking of all. First came the announcement of a planned redesign of the American Byzantine tax system, by the very thieves who used it to bankroll their thefts, loses and swindles of hundreds of billions of dollars. These make our Russian oligarchs look little more then ordinary street thugs, in comparison. Yes, the Americans have beat our own thieves in the shear volumes. Should we congratulate them?
It must be said, that like the breaking of a great dam, the American decent into Marxism is happening with breath taking speed, against the back drop of a passive, hapless sheeple, excuse me dear reader, I meant people.
True, the situation has been well prepared on and off for the past century, especially the past twenty years. The initial testing grounds was conducted upon our Holy Russia and a bloody test it was. But we Russians would not just roll over and give up our freedoms and our souls, no matter how much money Wall Street poured into the fists of the Marxists.
Those lessons were taken and used to properly prepare the American populace for the surrender of their freedoms and souls, to the whims of their elites and betters.
First, the population was dumbed down through a politicized and substandard education system based on pop culture, rather then the classics. Americans know more about their favorite TV dramas then the drama in DC that directly affects their lives. They care more for their "right" to choke down a McDonalds burger or a BurgerKing burger than for their constitutional rights. Then they turn around and lecture us about our rights and about our "democracy". Pride blind the foolish.
Then their faith in God was destroyed, until their churches, all tens of thousands of different "branches and denominations" were for the most part little more then Sunday circuses and their televangelists and top protestant mega preachers were more then happy to sell out their souls and flocks to be on the "winning" side of one pseudo Marxist politician or another. Their flocks may complain, but when explained that they would be on the "winning" side, their flocks were ever so quick to reject Christ in hopes for earthly power. Even our Holy Orthodox churches are scandalously liberalized in America.
The final collapse has come with the election of Barack Obama. His speed in the past three months has been truly impressive. His spending and money printing has been a record setting, not just in America's short history but in the world. If this keeps up for more then another year, and there is no sign that it will not, America at best will resemble the Wiemar Republic and at worst Zimbabwe.
These past two weeks have been the most breath taking of all. First came the announcement of a planned redesign of the American Byzantine tax system, by the very thieves who used it to bankroll their thefts, loses and swindles of hundreds of billions of dollars. These make our Russian oligarchs look little more then ordinary street thugs, in comparison. Yes, the Americans have beat our own thieves in the shear volumes. Should we congratulate them?
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Marxism!?!?! Really?!? Again, Since you've already stated youre right-leaning. Thats leading me to believe that you would proclaim that McCain wouldve been the heroic patriot combating the evil "Marxist" democrats but all us stupid star struck liberals just thought Obama was God and couldnt see the terrifying plan that Obama was going to rule the world...OMG run...!!!!!! I think your so far from reality on this and want so badly for everyone to turn on this president
Do you really think Obama is anything more than a puppet? He's the best puppet there is, too, because such a vast majority of people are willing to blindly follow him wherever he takes them and not raise a single question until it is much too late. His election has managed to get almost 100% of the people in Philadelphia to shut up about the government simply because he's black. Why am I using his skin color to justify it? Because all the people in Philly are using his skin color as proof that everything will be ok. And I should know, I live there.
Here's the facts for you: The government is going to control both Chrysler and GM. That, by definition, is socialistic. The treasury is printing "money" at an alarming rate, which is going to seriously devalue the dollar in a very short period of time (read: hyperinflation). When the dollar is worth a penny, what good is the current pay rate of America? When a week's pay will buy you a loaf of bread, and maybe some water, what are you going to do? Don't think it's going to happen? Like I mentioned earlier, it already happened to Russia.
06-01-2009, 03:23 PM
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Its like talking to a wall wannabess00 I wonder if you even read what I posted? I never said I was REPUBLICAN, I descibed myself as right leaning to describe the role of federal government in our lives. In fact, I have many left views on stuff like drugs/prostitution/abortion/gov't regulation/seat belt laws etc. On the right I 'm for a strong defense/finiancial and health care thats regulated for the truly needy, and borders that are borders.
The problem is not democrats or republicans but politicians. McCain was not the answer but is he was more toward the middle. He co-authored bills with Fienstien/Kennedy he was willing to work across the party. I think thats why Far Right Repubs let him hang out to dry. The Problem with all the current politcians is:
1) They are in it for the power and influence and getting and staying elected is all they care about. NOT THE COUNTRY
2) LOBBISTs that fact they can write a bill 1000 pages long one day and it get voted on the next sums it all up.
3) They all owe so many favors that it is impossible for them to be objective.
I don't have the answer.
This country is doomed until the masses become more informed. That means you. YES, I said you were uninformed, the only point you posted to support your position was that he was married and had kids! You have not introduced one solid piece of information, is that really all you know to support your decision that this Government is on the right road? I was just posting the things I found that bother me.
I listen to NPR/CNN/Fox etc. I try to get the info as best I can to make my own objective opinion. I critically listen to everything. By nature I'm critical. Some would say a to a fault, perhaps. Limbaugh just like MSNBC Obermann and quite a few others leave out the facts that don't support there agenda. You have to look through that and form you own opinion!
XXGRABSXX His point if well heeded! IF the US DOLLAR ever losses its position as an international currency (oil is traded in dollars) we are really are screwed!! The dollars value will go to **** and it will cost $20.00 to buy a gallon of milk.
Seriously, where do we get the money for this? The bush administration started us down this road by spending all this money.
Now they are talking about a VAT to pay for this. Do you know the history of a VAT. Do we then have a VAT and Income tax????
For politicians, the VAT was great news. Besides being a new source of revenue, the VAT has been a disturbingly easy tax to increase since it’s built into the price of products and hidden from consumers. Moreover, even small increases generate a big pile of revenue because the tax base is so broad. The tax has become so easy to raise that VAT rates in Europe average more than 20 percent.
For taxpayers, however, the news has been disastrous. Thanks to this levy, the burden of government in Europe today is much higher than it is in the U.S. On average, taxes consume about 41 percent of Europe’s economic output. While other taxes have also climbed, the VAT certainly has helped finance the explosion of social welfare spending that creates such a drag on European economies.
Ed
I do enjoy debating displacement vs rpm more, but we may be discussing how to get more current into our electric windings in the primary drive motor!
Ed
The problem is not democrats or republicans but politicians. McCain was not the answer but is he was more toward the middle. He co-authored bills with Fienstien/Kennedy he was willing to work across the party. I think thats why Far Right Repubs let him hang out to dry. The Problem with all the current politcians is:
1) They are in it for the power and influence and getting and staying elected is all they care about. NOT THE COUNTRY
2) LOBBISTs that fact they can write a bill 1000 pages long one day and it get voted on the next sums it all up.
3) They all owe so many favors that it is impossible for them to be objective.
I don't have the answer.
This country is doomed until the masses become more informed. That means you. YES, I said you were uninformed, the only point you posted to support your position was that he was married and had kids! You have not introduced one solid piece of information, is that really all you know to support your decision that this Government is on the right road? I was just posting the things I found that bother me.
I listen to NPR/CNN/Fox etc. I try to get the info as best I can to make my own objective opinion. I critically listen to everything. By nature I'm critical. Some would say a to a fault, perhaps. Limbaugh just like MSNBC Obermann and quite a few others leave out the facts that don't support there agenda. You have to look through that and form you own opinion!
XXGRABSXX His point if well heeded! IF the US DOLLAR ever losses its position as an international currency (oil is traded in dollars) we are really are screwed!! The dollars value will go to **** and it will cost $20.00 to buy a gallon of milk.
Seriously, where do we get the money for this? The bush administration started us down this road by spending all this money.
Now they are talking about a VAT to pay for this. Do you know the history of a VAT. Do we then have a VAT and Income tax????
For politicians, the VAT was great news. Besides being a new source of revenue, the VAT has been a disturbingly easy tax to increase since it’s built into the price of products and hidden from consumers. Moreover, even small increases generate a big pile of revenue because the tax base is so broad. The tax has become so easy to raise that VAT rates in Europe average more than 20 percent.
For taxpayers, however, the news has been disastrous. Thanks to this levy, the burden of government in Europe today is much higher than it is in the U.S. On average, taxes consume about 41 percent of Europe’s economic output. While other taxes have also climbed, the VAT certainly has helped finance the explosion of social welfare spending that creates such a drag on European economies.
Ed
I do enjoy debating displacement vs rpm more, but we may be discussing how to get more current into our electric windings in the primary drive motor!
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06-01-2009, 03:31 PM
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You didn't even read his post, did you? He posted an article from a Russian paper. An article from a country that has been down the road we're traveling. You know what they say, hindsight is 20/20.
Do you really think Obama is anything more than a puppet? He's the best puppet there is, too, because such a vast majority of people are willing to blindly follow him wherever he takes them and not raise a single question until it is much too late. His election has managed to get almost 100% of the people in Philadelphia to shut up about the government simply because he's black. Why am I using his skin color to justify it? Because all the people in Philly are using his skin color as proof that everything will be ok. And I should know, I live there.
Here's the facts for you: The government is going to control both Chrysler and GM. That, by definition, is socialistic. The treasury is printing "money" at an alarming rate, which is going to seriously devalue the dollar in a very short period of time (read: hyperinflation). When the dollar is worth a penny, what good is the current pay rate of America? When a week's pay will buy you a loaf of bread, and maybe some water, what are you going to do? Don't think it's going to happen? Like I mentioned earlier, it already happened to Russia.
Do you really think Obama is anything more than a puppet? He's the best puppet there is, too, because such a vast majority of people are willing to blindly follow him wherever he takes them and not raise a single question until it is much too late. His election has managed to get almost 100% of the people in Philadelphia to shut up about the government simply because he's black. Why am I using his skin color to justify it? Because all the people in Philly are using his skin color as proof that everything will be ok. And I should know, I live there.
Here's the facts for you: The government is going to control both Chrysler and GM. That, by definition, is socialistic. The treasury is printing "money" at an alarming rate, which is going to seriously devalue the dollar in a very short period of time (read: hyperinflation). When the dollar is worth a penny, what good is the current pay rate of America? When a week's pay will buy you a loaf of bread, and maybe some water, what are you going to do? Don't think it's going to happen? Like I mentioned earlier, it already happened to Russia.
I read his statement a couple times actually. And I wont dignify it with much a response same as many of your remarks. Youre comparing a mock up democracy that is dealing with huge political division. Thats really the only close comparison between us and them and its caused by people such as yourself that are to such an extreme political ideology that any opposition to your ideals is likewise considered extreme or apart of some dishonest conspiracy. And to suggest that I and so many others voted for him based on his skin color is an insult and proof that your bitter over the loss in the november elections and trying to appeal to racism to justify your anger and deserve no real consideration.
As far as GM and Chrysler go, you dont really believe that the federal govt intends to permanently own the auto companies. I think most of you are being opportunists and wanting so badly to have the "i told you so" titles. Youre really no different from Rush Limbaugh or Sean Hannity or even the liberals that blamed Bush in that you never liked the guy and will scape coat him or any other figure that doesnt reside on your side of the fence for all of lifes problems. GM and Chrysler will be bought in time by other businessmen when the economy comes back and you'll be right there to claim that as a liberal socialist conspiracy or crooked deal as well. Cant wait
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06-01-2009, 06:05 PM
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this is your profile!!!!! You poor thing you never had a chance. I couldn't imagine going through life without an independent thought!
The worst part is, you had the audaucity too suggest I was bias!
The really pathetic part is you make those claims on your signature and you can't even hold a reasonable discuss on the issues. You just slander with , "extreme poltical views" please quote me as to what I said that would suggest I have extreme political views.
FOR THE UPTENTH TIME I"M MIDDLE OF THE ROAD! I like some left issues and some right. So that makes me extreme how?
Change, change, 'Change We Can Believe In' , Change, change
thats what all the excited lambs were saying,
as they left the not so green field,
and entered the slaughter house.
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this is your profile!!!!! You poor thing you never had a chance. I couldn't imagine going through life without an independent thought!
The worst part is, you had the audaucity too suggest I was bias!
The really pathetic part is you make those claims on your signature and you can't even hold a reasonable discuss on the issues. You just slander with , "extreme poltical views" please quote me as to what I said that would suggest I have extreme political views.
FOR THE UPTENTH TIME I"M MIDDLE OF THE ROAD! I like some left issues and some right. So that makes me extreme how?
Change, change, 'Change We Can Believe In' , Change, change
thats what all the excited lambs were saying,
as they left the not so green field,
and entered the slaughter house.
06-01-2009, 10:48 PM
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I read his statement a couple times actually. And I wont dignify it with much a response same as many of your remarks. Youre comparing a mock up democracy that is dealing with huge political division. Thats really the only close comparison between us and them and its caused by people such as yourself that are to such an extreme political ideology that any opposition to your ideals is likewise considered extreme or apart of some dishonest conspiracy. And to suggest that I and so many others voted for him based on his skin color is an insult and proof that your bitter over the loss in the november elections and trying to appeal to racism to justify your anger and deserve no real consideration.
As far as GM and Chrysler go, you dont really believe that the federal govt intends to permanently own the auto companies. I think most of you are being opportunists and wanting so badly to have the "i told you so" titles. Youre really no different from Rush Limbaugh or Sean Hannity or even the liberals that blamed Bush in that you never liked the guy and will scape coat him or any other figure that doesnt reside on your side of the fence for all of lifes problems. GM and Chrysler will be bought in time by other businessmen when the economy comes back and you'll be right there to claim that as a liberal socialist conspiracy or crooked deal as well. Cant wait
As far as GM and Chrysler go, you dont really believe that the federal govt intends to permanently own the auto companies. I think most of you are being opportunists and wanting so badly to have the "i told you so" titles. Youre really no different from Rush Limbaugh or Sean Hannity or even the liberals that blamed Bush in that you never liked the guy and will scape coat him or any other figure that doesnt reside on your side of the fence for all of lifes problems. GM and Chrysler will be bought in time by other businessmen when the economy comes back and you'll be right there to claim that as a liberal socialist conspiracy or crooked deal as well. Cant wait
I want to know why (and how) you think Barack Obama is going to fix everything and return America to greatness. I also want to know why you think the government is responsible for the economy.
This isn't the first time I've been called an extremist by a democrat, but it is the first time I've been equated with Rush Limbaugh (who I find to be a horrible human being) and Sean Hannity (who I don't find much better). And please don't resort to calling people you disagree with extremists and/or bitter over Obama's election.
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that's one way of letting your politicians know where you stand.
I can guarantee you that Texas and a few other states won't allow this to happen (Utah, Montana, Alaska, hopefully Florida... I wish I could put Missouri with this list but can't). States are getting more and more fed up with the Fed telling them what to do, which isn't the Fed's role (according to that old document that doesn't mean anything anymore... the constitution
) As soon as a state denies to uphold this mandate you can bet I'll be moving there... Texas here I come
06-02-2009, 02:44 PM
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Won't dignify it with a response? That's just a bullshit way to get out of a corner that you can't get out of with honor and integrity because you don't have a credible counter-point of your own.
I want to know why (and how) you think Barack Obama is going to fix everything and return America to greatness. I also want to know why you think the government is responsible for the economy.
This isn't the first time I've been called an extremist by a democrat, but it is the first time I've been equated with Rush Limbaugh (who I find to be a horrible human being) and Sean Hannity (who I don't find much better). And please don't resort to calling people you disagree with extremists and/or bitter over Obama's election.
I want to know why (and how) you think Barack Obama is going to fix everything and return America to greatness. I also want to know why you think the government is responsible for the economy.
This isn't the first time I've been called an extremist by a democrat, but it is the first time I've been equated with Rush Limbaugh (who I find to be a horrible human being) and Sean Hannity (who I don't find much better). And please don't resort to calling people you disagree with extremists and/or bitter over Obama's election.
2ndly, YOU JUST CLAIMED THAT A MAN WON AN ELECTION BASED PRIMARILY UPON THE COLOR OF HIS SKIN!! That's a remark that is extremely ignorant and offensive. I for one found him to have the energy and a high intellegence level considering he graduated from harvard and was active community organizer. His skin color made no difference to me
06-02-2009, 03:10 PM
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For starters I would assume to know Obamas solutions in any kinda detail because im not in the meetings. But I will say that he does intend on making govt more active in the recovery which is fine by me considering the state we are in. I think govt is responsible to the economy in that it can cripple its people and leave a trail of devastation behind. Millions are unemployed and losing their homes and while business is asking the govt for help. Id be more concerned if they were not taking an active approach.
2ndly, YOU JUST CLAIMED THAT A MAN WON AN ELECTION BASED PRIMARILY UPON THE COLOR OF HIS SKIN!! That's a remark that is extremely ignorant and offensive. I for one found him to have the energy and a high intellegence level considering he graduated from harvard and was active community organizer. His skin color made no difference to me
2ndly, YOU JUST CLAIMED THAT A MAN WON AN ELECTION BASED PRIMARILY UPON THE COLOR OF HIS SKIN!! That's a remark that is extremely ignorant and offensive. I for one found him to have the energy and a high intellegence level considering he graduated from harvard and was active community organizer. His skin color made no difference to me
I don't think he got voted 100% on color but I think he got 50% on color. But that is too political and we need to watch it if we want this thread to stay open
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[QUOTE=camar0corey;11619573]Um I want to know when I can vote against this? I've never voted on a thing in my life
This is the problem
" I've never voted on a thing in my life"
When will you start voting?
Are you too young to vote or don't you care enough to vote? which one?
This is the problem
" I've never voted on a thing in my life"
When will you start voting?
Are you too young to vote or don't you care enough to vote? which one?