SD_Silverbeast

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Really interested in how to 5.0 going respond to mods. I mean 412 crank hp is pretty stout for a 302 im wondering how much is really left on the table to gain, seems like it would almost be maxed out without doing a whole rebuild, anyone have any thoughts on what kind of compression the 5.0 will be running? I'm guessing it's going to be a bit high to just slap a blower on it with 9-10 lbs of boost, without upgrading nearly everything and dropping compression by means of new pistons/heads/crank or whatever other way. As opposed to the camaro where its pretty much plug and play with a supercharger. Also.....H/C combo Camaro vs H/C combo stang?? price and performance i believe will definitely be with the Camaro.

LS1LT1

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I believe it is 11.0:1.





It will definitely cost more on the Mustang GT as it will require 4 new cams to the Camaro's 1 plus it's heads have 32 valves versus the Camaro's 16 in the event that one chooses to change/upgrade them. Though both cars come with great heads that flow extremely well even in stock trim.

ThisBlood147

5.0 guys who want to stay NA will likely just do gears and bolt-ons or just go with nitrous (or all of the above ). Everyone else will just slap on a blower runnin 5-8 lbs of boost and be happy. Only the truly serious Stang guys will yank the cams, and the ones that do probably won't hurt for the money to do it. So there's no point in lamenting over it......there will be some serious 5.0's out there...4 cams or no.

TriShield

This just in, Edmunds has track-tested both the Camaro and Mustang 5.0 again for their latest comparo. Here are the results.

Specs & Performance



2010 Chevrolet Camaro 2SS

As-tested MSRP $35,425

Specs

Horsepower (hp @ rpm) 426 @ 5,900
Torque (lb-ft @ rpm) 420 @ 4,600
Transmission type 6-speed manual
Final-drive ratio (x:1) 3.45
Tire size, front 245/45ZR20 103Y
Tire size, rear 275/40ZR20 106Y
Brakes, front 14.0-inch ventilated disc with 4-piston fixed calipers
Brakes, rear 14.4-inch ventilated disc with 4-piston fixed calipers

Dimensions

Curb weight, as tested (lbs.) 3,864
Weight distribution, as tested, f/r (%) 51.7/48.3
Length (in.) 190.4
Width (in.) 75.5
Height (in.) 54.2
Wheelbase (in.) 112.3

Performance

0-30 mph (sec.) 2.3
0-45 mph (sec.) 3.5
0-60 mph (sec.) 5.1
0-75 mph (sec.) 7.0
1/4-mile (sec. @ mph) 13.1 @ 110.4
0-60 with 1 foot of rollout (sec.) 4.8
Braking, 30-0 mph (ft.) 27
60-0 mph (ft.) 111
Slalom, 6 x 100 ft. (mph) 68.2
Skid pad, 200-ft. diameter (lateral g) 0.89
Turning circle (ft.) 37.7
Edmunds observed (mpg) 17.0

Acceleration Comments - Tall gearing relative to the Mustang is frustrating even at the track. There's more than enough power here to overcome the available grip and saving a shift certainly saves time, but there's something distinctly unsatisfying about the Camaro's acceleration with this massively tall final-drive ratio and wide gear spacing. Drivetrain lash is evident in this car (odometer = 14.5k miles). Clutch stink present in this test, something we've never experienced before in testing the Camaro SS.

Braking Comments - Very good pedal feel and response. Respectably short stopping distance and no sign of fade.

Handling Comments - Camaro makes respectable handling numbers and is well mannered and quite well behaved on less-than-smooth roads, but it lacks the engagement of the more responsive Mustang. The 20-inch wheels and tires are noticeably heavy. Chassis heavily burdens its front tires.



2011 Ford Mustang GT Premium

As-tested MSRP $37,600

Specs

Horsepower (hp @ rpm) 412 @ 6,500
Torque (lb-ft @ rpm) 390 @ 4,250
Transmission type 6-speed manual
Final-drive ratio (x:1) 3.73
Tire size, front P245/45 ZR19 98W M+S
Tire size, rear P245/45 ZR19 98W M+S
Brakes, front 13.2-inch ventilated disc with 2-piston sliding calipers
Brakes, rear 11.8-inch ventilated disc with single-piston sliding calipers

Dimensions

Curb weight, as tested (lbs.) 3,660
Weight distribution, as tested, f/r (%) 54.1/45.9
Length (in.) 188.1
Width (in.) 73.9
Height (in.) 55.8
Wheelbase (in.) 107.1

Performance

0-30 mph (sec.) 2.1
0-45 mph (sec.) 3.4
0-60 mph (sec.) 5.1
0-75 mph (sec.) 7.3
1/4-mile (sec. @ mph) 13.3 @ 107.3
0-60 with 1 foot of rollout (sec.) 4.8
Braking, 30-0 mph (ft.) 30
60-0 mph (ft.) 117
Slalom, 6 x 100 ft. (mph) 65.9
Skid pad, 200-ft. diameter (lateral g) 0.87
Turning circle (ft.) 33.4
Edmunds observed (mpg) 14.9

Acceleration Comments - Difficult to hook up leaving the line. Wants to bog or boil, so best launch with minimal wheelspin from about 2,500 rpm. Big rubber on 2-3 and 3-4 upshift. Impressive feeling of power and great engine sound. Tachometer doesn't keep up with engine, so early shifting is required in lower gears.

Braking Comments - Not such a great performance considering what we know this platform is capable of producing. Stickier tires and Brembo brakes make things better. And 117 feet isn't great. Pedal too soft.

Handling Comments - Stability control issue kept us from recording data. Overall grip down considerably relative to Mustang with summer tires. Same great balance, however. Instant turn-in can be a challenge in the slalom, but after time, one can adjust. Overall, still very good for a live-axle car.

Spoolin

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I don't get it...there's a half second disparity between Edmonds test and some of the other mags when it comes to the 1/4mile times for the mustang...that's quite a bit!
And that burnout competition between these two cars the driver couldn't lose traction on the 2-3 or the 3-4 shifts with the mustang.
Oh well, thanks for the update Trishield

UltraZLS1

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http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/..._camaros-video

Only mag that has the mustang faster so far is motor trend. Every single test in every other mag so far has the camaro as fast or faster.

Dont kill the messenger.

ls1ya

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chevy knows to keep our cheaper cars packed with nice horses cuz ford just puts horses on the outside of their cars till they cost 60,000. and when z28,zr1, zl1 camaros come oh boy.

LS1LT1

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Like I've stated before, I would hate to be in the market for a (V6 or V8) pony car right now as it's almost an impossible decision to make between these two, they're both truly awesome machines with great value too.

I8ASaleen

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I don't believe that magazine drivers will ever get out of the 13's lol.

justin455

they do, it just takes over 500hp.

:edit: or AWD

Sax1031

104mph out of the V6 Stang is getting really close to what I generally see L99 A6 SS's run for trap speed. Wow.

I can't wait to see what Evan Smith does with a 2011 GT though. I hope he does his own SS vs GT comparison. That would be great. He would probably get the best printed times out of both cars.

Irunelevens

I would also like to see that.

UltraZLS1

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I wouldnt be so hard on the L99...they are just a little more inconsistent. The strong running L99 cars trap 106-109. The stock record for an L99 is 12.8...not too shabby (only 3 tenths behind ls3). I dont think A v6 stang will ever even come close to touching that in stock form.

But yeah definitely on the Evan Smith thing. He can row some gears. If he runs at a good track in good conditions I would bet he pulls 12.5-12.6 or so for the camaro and at least as fast with the stang. 12.4-12.3 would be sweet as hell.

These new sports cars kick some serious ***...we live in a good time.

Little side note...I stayed with a new m3 today, it took off hard from a stop light when I was behind him. I think he was full throttle, he shifted hard i could see the entire car rock...I stayed with him pretty good and once I hit third I reeled him in decent (almost rear ended him) and then he let off.....changed lanes and let me by.

LS1LT1

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I suppose it could be getting close, though my friend's bone stock L99 A6 was hitting 108s & 109s in decent air.






He probably would, depending on air temps and DA and all.

Sax1031

I mostly see them in the 105-107mph range at the local 1/4th mile. And we have decent DAs also.

EVILWS6

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Both seem to be nice cars.

OVA1

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Seems to me that the comparison is sorta bogus... A 2010 Camaro and a 2011 Mustang...

Anyone seen a 2011 Camaro?

My guess is The General reads Motor Trend and R&T too... And despite his new Socialist leanin's... the least we could do is to give the old cob a chance to show what he's bringin' to the table in 11...

Irunelevens

They already addressed that... the '11 Camaros are gonna have very minimal changes.

TriShield

Car & Driver also retested both cars back to back.

Complete Test Data



Equal to 60mph, Camaro was faster beyond that.

UltraZLS1

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Evolution performance just took order of a 2011 mustang GT and took it to the track. 13.2 @ 110mph 2.1 60ft. DA was like 280. GT premium with 3.73 gears and the 255 summer tires.

Not too bad I guess. But the more numbers we see the more it looks like the camaro may not be behind at all.

I dont feel like finding the link...just go to google and type in evolution performance 2011 mustang gt....you will see the link to it toward the top of the page, a mustang forum is discussing it.