SSNISTR

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It might have been that, whatever is the base gears in the A6. Either way, I was impressed.

Blakbird24

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If you take all the OFFICIAL tests, entity by entity, you will see that the cars are VERY CLOSE in performance.

You can't look at what guys on this board or some mustang board are runnig with their cars and call it reliable data. Now on the other hand, if you are looking to buy the car in question and want to see what it can do in capable hands, that's a different story. But for a stock-for-stock comparison we have to look at official testing on a level playing field.

SSNISTR

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Again, not really. There has only been one OFFICIAL SS test in the 12's, a 12.9. There has been five 5.0 tests in the 12's. A 12.8/12.7/12.7/12.6. 2-3 tenths in the 1/4 is alot.

Gotta give credit where credit is due.

jmurray87

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It only took 3 years for the 2010 to come out.

Concept car = 2006
Approved for production = 2007
Dealer lots = 2009

The concept car was NEVER originally planned for production but the major hit it become made them re consider, so no it did not take that long for it to come out. So yeah, 2014 seems like a accurate release for the next Camaro more so since they are probably already working on the platform as we speak.

I personally see the car coming out in 2014 as a 2015 model. Giving the 5th gen a 5 year run, or at least having 2014 as a refresh like what Ford did with the Mustang for 2010/11.

88blackgt

When has the Camaro outsold the Mustang? Catch up?

You act like the Mustang wont be redesigned for 2014.

5.0 will likely get DI before Gen V comes about

silplu83

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It does not take bolt-ons to get those times out of the Camaro:

STOCK
"official" list-

1. nhra stocker - 12.58 @ 110.30 mph, (LS3, M6)
2. 2quick - 12.61 @ 111.60 mph, (LS3, M6)
3. blufin - 12.70 @ 111.07 mph, (LS3, M6)
4. Monte - 12.77 @ 110.98 mph, (LS3, M6)
5. b20 - 12.81 @ 108.73 mph, (LS3, M6)
6. 8secpumpgasdad - 12.86 @ 108.70 mph, (L99, A6)
7. speedy6963 - 12.87 @ 109.08, (LS3, M6)
8. 8ty8ls1 - 12.97 @ 107.61 mph, (L99, A6)
9. 1stGM - 12.98 @ 107. 34 mph, (L99, A6)
10. SSmokey - 13.04 @ 110.80 mph, (LS3, M6)

"Unofficial" list- inc. corrected times and red light runs

1. nhra stocker - 12.43 @ 112.02, (LS3, M6), (corrected, DA + 1395 ft.)
2. 2quick - 12.61 @ 111.60 mph, (LS3, M6)
3. 8secpumpgasdad - 12.67 @ 110.36 mph, (L99, A6), (Corrected, DA +1371 ft.)
4. blufin - 12.68 @ 111.04 mph, (LS3, M6)
5. Monte - 12.77 @ 110.98 mph, (LS3, M6)
6. b20 - 12.81 @ 108.73 mph, (LS3, M6)
7. DarricSS - 12.84 @ 110. 41 mph (LS3, M6) - (corrected, DA + 3331 ft.)
8. Pave1 - 12.86 @ 107.70 mph, (L99, A6)
9. speedy6963 - 12.87 @ 109.08, (LS3, M6)
10. 8ty8 ls1 - 12.90 @ 107.90 mph, (L99, A6), (DA -822)

LS1LT1

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I think it has actually done just that over the course of the last year, no?

Wimimc

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^^^ yeah i've been reading up on GM sales lately and the camaro has been outselling the mustang month after month.

i was reading something about the Z28 having upwards of 500 horsepower?
if thats not the case then it had to have been a special edition or something

Blakbird24

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I was talking about performance. This thread has made almost no mention of sales numbers. I personally couldn't give a care less about sales.

Since you care, you might want to know that the Camaro is now consistently outselling the mustang across the board. Again, not a factor to me.

The 5.0 won't be getting DI until at least the next platform redesign, which should be AROUND the time that the Alpha Camaro debuts. More than likely, we will be seeing the current pattern from here on out...GM releases a new Camaro every 5 years, and Ford releases a new Mustang one year after each new Camaro release. Ford get's the advantage there, being the last one out, BUT that's not exactly new...as Ford had 8 years with no Camaro and STILL couldn't catch the 4th gen until just this year.

Sorry...I have as much respect for the new Mustang as anyone else out there, but you can't say with certainty that Ford will hold this lead for any length of time. You can bet the Camaro will carry a few more ponies and a new suspension option next year, and as was mentioned before, Ford really doesn't do that kinda thing.

The next iteration of each car though will be VERY interesting. Both manufacturers know full well what their respective products are going to have to offer next time around...only one can possibly deliver on all fronts. We know GM can win the power war easily...but can it make a platform comparable to what Ford will offer with the next stang? And we expect Ford to build on it's already stellar (lightweight) platform for the next iteration of the mustang, but will it have an answer for the next Camaro's powerplant? It's going to have to because most of GM's focus on this next car will be in the body and suspension. Ford will need to carry this new 5.0 from one-hit-wonder (think Terminator Cobra) to legend status.

SSNISTR

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Difference is that is the cream of the crop for Camaros. And only 9 broke out of the 13's and most can't get out of the 13's. 90% of the new 5.0's will be at, or in most cases better then those times. Even the crappy magazine drivers are getting 12.6/7 out of the 5.0. And private 5.0 owners are running 12.4/5 with 50 miles on the cars already. Only one stock SS has run better then 12.60, about 15 5.0's have already. Sorry to say, but the 5.0 is a quicker car stock for stock. I'll admit it.

02 wife

Have you seen any 5.0's running 12's at the track? Not what you read on the internet or seen in these ready made shop car video's. The 5.0 will not run 12's all the time and at every track. It is an improvement over the 4.6 but its not all that. I saw a 2011 5.0 run 14's, of course the guy didnt know what he was doing but it will take skill and a good track prep.

silplu83

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Wow your crystal ball is mighty clear today. What are the lotto numbers for tomorrow while I have your attention?

jmurray87

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Every "stock" car will run a different time, depends on the driver, weather, type of track, among MANY other things. So really sitting here making argument over track times its just dumb because everyone will run something different.


Honestly, I would hope a 2011 5.0 having that new of a motor and that more advanced with technology would be a better performer then the LS1 which came out in what? 1997? Stock for stock anyways. But still like I said, get a newb driver in the 5.0 and a skilled driver in the LS1...who will have the better chance? Now take those 2 drivers and switch them around....now who has the edge? What's the point in comparing stock cars anyways?

LS1LT1

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Are they? 12.4s in true/pure bone stock trim and in this weather?
What tracks/region of the U.S. were these accomplished at?

I have to start reading over on the Mustang boards more LOL.

SSNISTR

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Three yesterday as a matter of fact. One ran a best of 12.8, the other a 12.6. One had a tune, cat-back and DR's and ran a 12.2. All trapped over 113 and it was almost 85 out.

My point is the 5.0 is an overall quicker car then a 5th gen. Anyone who thinks the opposite is just not in the know, or too biased towards GM. I'm a GM guy, but I will give credit where credit is due.

SSNISTR

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I know of two in the 12.40/50's 100% stock. And one auto in the 12.50's. Not sure where the auto was, and one of the manuals. I know one manual was in central Cali.

silplu83

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I'm a GM guy too and I know the Mustang has the clear advantage. My response was to you saying that the Camaro can't run those times. It very well can get real close to the 5.0's times, just needs driver mods.

z_speedfreak

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sweeeeet!

WSsick

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Not many people have heard of ZR1 until now. I go to car shows with people (adults as well as early 20s guys like myself) and only the GM lovers point out a C4ZR1 for what it is. I can see them bringing the ZL1 moniker back for those with money and the love of Camaros. It could/should be a "world beater" type attitude with a GEN V LS9 equivilent.

The Alpha Camaro will be one hell of an animal. I can see GM using it as a fresh start. No major updates for the 5th gen, with the Alpha getting the first GEN V, a new look in and out, and a Z28, maybe a ZL1 in years to follow. 2014 cant get here fast enough.

Shackleford

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The LT5 ZR1 was a great car - too expensive and exotic but it made some nice power.