LS1LT1

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http://www.streetlegaltv.com/forum/g...28-a-5603.html

Hoping that it's all true.

Cheap Guy

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Just as important, it looks like the Alpha platform Camaro is a go. Looks like it might be a short run for the current Holden platform Camaro.

Blakbird24

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Well this is awesome news in the long run. For the short term it sucks, because Alpha will not be ready for anything sooner than a 2014 model. So we have a long wait for the Z/28.

This is the route we want the Camaro to go. Alpha is a much smaller platform and will mean that the Camaro version is a stretched small platform instead of a shrunken big platform. From the engineering documents i've read on Alpha, this could mean a Camaro as light as 3400lbs. I wouldn't count on that though...assuming IRS and a fully optioned interior package, i'd figure on a weight right around what the current Mustang is. Maybe just a hair lighter. Combine that with the certainty that all engines will be at least AS powerful as they are now (312hp, 422hp, and 550hp), the alpha-based Camaro should easily dominate it's segment.

LS1LT1

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It's actually 426hp (at least that's the "rating" that it's been given) for the manual SS, that 422 was the first horsepower number that was being promoted but it was later revised up.

WECIV

Sounds like the 2014 model is the model I have been waiting for!!!

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sixvi6-camaro

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I'd tack at least 2-3 more years onto that 2014 estimate... look how long it took for hem to release the current Camaro!

violent_celerity

thats perfect! figure itll be about 2016, ill be 26 years old and starting to make some real money in a shop somewhere.. ill buy one!

SSNISTR

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Without a crystal ball from Ford you have no way to know that. DOUBT Ford will leave the 5.0 alone....GM needs to step it up. That is the bottom line.

SSNISTR

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I agree, 2014 is too soon IMO.

Blakbird24

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No one can know the future...we predict the future based on the past. Look at Ford's past vs. GM in this area. Ford has a long way to go to prove it can hang in the long run.

Right now, the new Mustang runs side by side with the new Camaro, despite being significantly lighter and down ONLY 15hp. Theoretically shaving 200lbs off the Camaro would make it quite a bit faster than the GT - with ONLY 15hp more. This tells us that GT will need 30-40hp extra to run even with the Camaro given the same weight. Combine this with the likelihood of the fully loaded Alpha SS being about 3600lbs, which is actually LIGHTER than the current fully loaded GT, and even if NOTHING is changed with either engine, the Camaro becomes a near runaway winner.

Basically what i'm saying is that Ford will have to do ALOT to the current 5.0 to be able to stay ahead of the Camaro assuming GM stays on course and moves it to the Alpha platform.

Also remember that this alpha Camaro will likely carry the Gen V (DI, VVT) LS (or whatever they designate the motor).

So no, i'm certainly not presenting this all as fact, but it's a damn good argument if you ask me.

camAro242

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im predicting the ls7 or the lq9 will be the engine plant for the z28

LS1LT1

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I think you'd meant LS9?
It's not likely that they're going to be putting a 6.0L iron block motor in it.
But I agree, I can see them putting the LS9 (or more likely the Cadillac CTS-V's LSA) in it as opposed to the LS7.

Z Fury

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I'm thinking LSA, or possibly a new direct injection V8. They have the time to work on it now.

justin455

If they wait for the smaller platform as suggested for the Z28, that makes me hopeful for a high revving screamer in a stripper package. Maybe a rendition of the 5.5 and low options to be around 3300-3400 pounds again pushing 450hp...that's a Z28.

Blakbird24

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Nah it'll be the Gen V version of the LSA i'm sure. I'm still going to be surprised if they actually call the top car "Z28". I would love to see "ZL1" or something like that. "ZR1" worked out awesome for the vette.

MrFrossty

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I too have been saying that from day 1.

justin455

They will call it the Z28 for marketing reasons, not historical. Of course everyone on here knows the history of the Z28 as well as it's place in Camaro Muscle hierarchy, but the average joe who is the target age of around 35-45 grew up with 3rd gens.

It works the same way with value as 3rd gens are starting to rise because guys can now afford the car they always wanted in high school. aka a Z28.

While I do think ZL1 would be a much cooler name, only small percentage of the market has even heard of that before. It's done plain and simple to sell cars, and they sure as hell weren't going to call it an IROC.

SSNISTR

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Not really. The new 5.0's are getting in the 12.60's/12.50's at 114/115 alot by owner drivers now, check the Mustang boards. A guy even ran a A6 3:31 to a 12.56 if I recall, very impressive. It takes some good driving and a few bolt-ons for a new SS to run those times. I've been a GM guy all my life, but the new 5.0 is a quicker, better handling, not to mention overall better car then the new Camaro.

LS1LT1

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I don't think you can get an automatic GT 5.0 with 3.31 gears, I believe that they come with only a 3.15 rear.
The manuals (and the V6 automatic) have some rear gear options though.

assasinator

ford will leave the 5.0 alone for as long as GM allows it to. the 2010SS and hemi challenger saw to that. ford will release limited edition cars to compete with the alpha based camaro. the new 2012/2014 stang chasis will have to compete then. ford just isnt into upping than ante year over year. they never have, and never will. its about profits. if camaro sales hurt the stang, ford will respond. if not, ford will make NO changes. just reap the profits.