Blakbird24

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The Terminator is the only valid example here, as the Cobra R can be better compared to something like the GMMG ZL1 (very rare special production), and the GT500 was billed by Ford as a response to the Z06 when it first came out, and as such, WAS way behind.

The fact that the Terminator exists just drives the point home even better. Why, if Ford was able to build such a remarkably resilient drivetrain with such (seemingly) little effort, was it only offered for two years and even then only AFTER Ford's primary competition was long gone? This car should have come with the SN98 redesign, as a WS6/SS competitor, and the GT could have come with the 305hp designation to compete with the TA/Z28. Yeah the TA/Z28 would still have handily outrun the GT, but the Cobra would then be on top of the WS6/SS...and then, my friends, we would have had "a game".

I'm glad to see Ford is bringing it's A game this time around, but I don't think fans can expect to see DI in the Mustang until the next redesign, which i'm told is supposed to be somewhere around 2014-15. The existence of conspicuous impressions cast into the heads does not mean that DI will appear next year.

Irunelevens

The vehicles they have recently released (new Mustang GT, Taurus SHO, F-150 Raptor, etc.,) show a definite performance tendency, and they are planning cars that extend that performance to new heights. I can't wait to see if they put the 6.2 (same architecture as the 5.0) in the Mustang from the factory, and look forward to seeing aftermarket companies do the same.

Irunelevens

Nobody is insinuating that it was come next year, but it is apparent that it is coming in the next few years. And I agree, I think the '99 Mustang GT's motor should have been put in the '96 GT to compete with the LT1 and that the '05's motor should have been engineered for the '99 GT in order to compete with the LS1. But at that point I think that Ford could maybe see that it was not the time for a horsepower war and went straight for sales.

RedVertTA

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My point exactly, but I would like to point out that the cobra cost a good deal more that even a loaded SS and WS6. You had to drop about 40K to get one. At that cost it doesn't surprise me the cobra beat the fbody. It would be sad if it didn't.

Excellent point, despite less performance the fbody died and the mustang lived.

Sax1031

DI won't come soon and for one reason. DI alone is not worth much performance wise.

When they start boosting the 5.0 is when the DI will come.

Irunelevens

So... the LS5 won't get DI either?

Sax1031

Who knows.

The Ford engineers said that adding DI to the 5.0 was worth around a 1% increase in hp alone. They said the performance was not worth the added costs.

RedVertTA

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That's true but the new engine is all new, not just an lsx with DI. The block and heads are a new design.

Oh come on, didn't you read the posted article? Development is already underway. GM isn't waiting on Ford, unlike Ford did for the last few years only raising the bar in response to when GM or Chrysler comes out with something new. The new 5.0 is the latest example of this.

Irunelevens

Where did you read that? And the fuel economy/emissions benefits are more than enough to do DI, which is why it's already cast into the heads.

Big_Bird_WS6

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to all you guys talking a big ford game. but lets take this to the top end of the stuff.

ZR1 > GT

and GT was what 150K yes grant there is 4 years time line difference. but ****. the ZR1 is far better then the GT. and the 06 Z06 is really close. lol. so **** all the little cars. GM still rules.

Sax1031

It was the big article in MM&FF, iirc, the engineers said they contemplated DI from the start but said the performance gain(around 1%) was not worth the costs.

Sax1031

And only idiots paid anywhere near 40k for a 2003 Cobra that wasn't a drop top.

The same idiots that paid 36k for WS6s.

RedVertTA

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I have my doubts about this article and I'm pretty sure DI will make more than 1% more power but even so the real benefits to DI are related to what it allows you to do with compression and boost rather than how much power it gains you alone. GM made a DI L92 which allowed them to bump compression to 11.5:1 and make 450 hp while improving fuel economy. Remember the stock L92 baseline is 402 hp. My brother's MK5 GTI safely runs 18 pounds of boost on the stock shortblock at 10:1 compression thanks to DI. There are enormous benefits to DI, lets make no mistake about it.

Sax1031

Oh I definitely agree. They just said adding DI alone was worth 1% more hp.

DI allows for higher compression, and that is where the power would come from.

nanokpsi

Actually, since the 5.0 will be used in thier trucks as well, I am guessing you will see it sooner than later. I wouldn't look for it to happen super soon though. Not too much reason to add it at the moment.

88blackgt

Manufacturers need to hurry up and get DI all newer vehicles, cant wait to see what boosted combos do on these new engines especially w/ the amazing heads theyve all got.

hisjakeness

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agree. +2

Irunelevens

Except if they made a new "DZ302" model to compete against the Boss 302 they couldn't call it the "Z28" now. They should have called the upcoming Z28 the ZL1 or something.

Blakbird24

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ZL1...absolutely. Would have been perfect. Z28 just doesn't make sense.

Wnts2Go10O

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LS8 will probably be a 6.2 with DI and vvt