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Old 10-02-2010, 01:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Blakbird24
Lets not forget the safety issues inherent in carrying around a large concentration of compressed hydrogen. Car accidents could potentially level city blocks.
People used to say that they wouldn't drive an internal combustion powered vehicle because it was basically driving on a bomb or a bunch of explosions and once they got in a wreck would blow to pieces.....
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hydrogen, really? the only way it would even be close to happening is if the market itself allowed for it. gasoline has had over 100 years to develop its infrastructure. its LAGUHABLE to think with the things are now that a hydrogen infrastructure could be put up in any sort of density any time soon.

electric cars are even worse because of the lack of research into things like fusion reactors. nuclear power plants are barely able to get to the stage they are in planning as is let alone building them in any meaningful numbers. coal is the majority provider and to go to wind an solar is absolutely insane when you figure in how much land will be needed for both along with the energy it takes to produce both.

do i see 65mpg before 2025 as an avg? oh hell no. the market simply says no at the moment as does the rate of research and development. will we eventually get there or past it eventually? yes, we will. thing is, it wont be the govt that gets us there.
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The government needs to stop trying to dictate how the market works. The market is not the government's responsibility, and forcing arbitrary fuel economy guidelines on the auto industry is neither going to help consumers nor is it going to measurably help the environment. All they're going to do is raise car prices to the point where families can scarcely afford a second car and hurt the economy.

Sorry if that gets the thread locked, but it's something that needed to be said.
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Originally Posted by $750 L98
We will all drive jetta TDIs, riding bikes, or walking LOL. Even for a fleet average that seems absurd to me, it would hardly leave room for a full sized V8 anything.
I will be more then happy to ride a scooter to work, as long as everyone else is on scooters. I'm not fighting through 18 wheelers on a moped

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Anything is possibile. But doubling average MPG in 15 years? Be careful what you wish for. There is always a trade-off.
Exactly, true reality is hard for some people to grasp.

Originally Posted by Cole Train
GM's been working on Hydrogen vehicles for years. It's just right now that it takes alot of energy to make the hydrogen that is useable in vehicles. Also there is NO infrastructure for hydrogen fuel pumps either or any money to convert them
Smart man. Infrastructure is the immediate hurdle with any new fuel.

Originally Posted by Irunelevens
There's no reason for that not to improve in the next 15 years. If we can put a man on the moon in 8 years, we can figure out a way to make hydrogen production more efficient and install hydrogen pumps in 15.
You think we went to the moon? **** was hoax dude. Damn flag was waving in the wind on a planet with no atmosphere. Jeez
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Originally Posted by 01ssreda4

You think we went to the moon? **** was hoax dude. Damn flag was waving in the wind on a planet with no atmosphere. Jeez
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Dead serious....naysayers enter
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Originally Posted by TrippyJoey
Does that mean that if we keep our cars till then, since the demand for fuel due to the increased fuel economy will drop, we will be able to buy premium 93 fuel for less than $10 per gallon
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Originally Posted by WSsick
People used to say that they wouldn't drive an internal combustion powered vehicle because it was basically driving on a bomb or a bunch of explosions and once they got in a wreck would blow to pieces.....
in some cases, they were right

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cFFTa3JzIOA
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Originally Posted by 01ssreda4
Dead serious....naysayers enter
Watch this playlist...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mefEK...ext=1&index=25
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Nasa paid them off for that.
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The reason why the flag appears to be blowing in the wind, is that it's attached to a rigid aluminum pole, which is in his hand, and moving around, in zero gravity. So all the forces going into the pole are transmitted into the flag.
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Not zero gravity, but 1/6 normal gravity. Still, there were poles on the side and the top of the flag so that it didn't fall next to the pole never to be recognized.
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Originally Posted by JBarron
The reason why the flag appears to be blowing in the wind, is that it's attached to a rigid aluminum pole, which is in his hand, and moving around, in zero gravity. So all the forces going into the pole are transmitted into the flag.
Originally Posted by XxGarbSxX
Not zero gravity, but 1/6 normal gravity. Still, there were poles on the side and the top of the flag so that it didn't fall next to the pole never to be recognized.
How the **** did this topic get here...really? Nevertheless, these dudes are for the most part correct. The flag was designed to not wave, but physics do still apply outside of Earth.
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Right, reduced gravity, such that the flag is not going to fold up on itself as usual. This topic got here because of post #24; it's kind of hard to just let that slide without saying anything. Those astronauts risked their lives, and are heroes.
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Thats your opinion. Friend or foe, lies or truth. You decide.
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It's not opinion. If you are really dumb enough to think we never went to the Moon, I feel sorry for your friends, family, future children, and anyone you ever come in contact with for having to talk to you. Yeah everybody has a right to an opinion, but you have to base it off something intelligent for people to take you seriously.
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Or we could all do turbocharged biodiesel swaps like this one

http://www.popularhotrodding.com/fea...sel/index.html

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how efficient is liquid propane injection?

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I still wonder if Area 51 is where they filmed the "moon landing" i've heard there were shots taken from the air that show craters inside A51 that closely resemble the ones taken on the moon.


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