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I read it was a entry pay level. And $14/hr to install door panels isn't horrible pay. The union is making itself look greedy. And that is the view most Americans have of "Organized labor".
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If an employer wants to take away benefits, pay, or worse your job and your issues arent being dealt with then the only way left to get that b#$tard, making the decisions, to listen and own up to his decision is to deny the company the one one thing they are always looking at. Living wages, Benefits, good working conditions, werent earned by workers turning the other cheek and believing their employer would be kind enough to give a fair share to workers because they worked hard for it. It was earned when workers locked down the plants and job sites until their issues were addressed. A smart American worker knows a promise is much stronger when its put in ink and if your employer truly wished you to have these things then they wont have a problem doing so.
I look at this way. The guy on the assembly line gets $25 to put part x in. The auto tech that went to school to learn how to fix the WHOLE car gets $18-22. WTF? The pay is out of line for the job they do. They get specialized jobs in these plants. If they drive a forklift that is all they do ALL DAY EVERY DAY. They don't drive a forklift then bolt on wheels then bolt in seats and later in the day install rear assemblies. Unions will not stop jobs from leaving the country. They will not stop outsourcing. If anything in this economy they will spur the drive of jobs out of the country. Why pay Dave $25/hr in a union to do what Jane can do in the same plant for $15? I would work in a plant doing the same thing everyday, every shift for pay like that if I was interested in working in a plant. I live in STL. Dodge closed the plant here that made minivans and Rams. Ford closed its Explorer plant here too. How did the unions stop them? How did they protect the jobs? Why didn't other plants strike against Dodge or Ford when those people lost their jobs? Wheres the solidarity? Its a false brotherhood.
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Only because corporations have something to lose by allowing its workers to negotiate with them. They have hired firms that run ad campaigns to make sure every American worker has a delusional view of unions in order to help keep them from votes in their businesses. Funny how you you never hear about the CEO and other execs that take home over 80million a year and how CEOs now take home over 500 times what its workers do as opposed to 3 decades ago when it was less than 90 times. And yet unions are somehow the greedy ones.
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Or do what the rest of us do. Look for another job somewhere else. As stated there was a time and place for unions in this country. Not so much now.
I look at this way. The guy on the assembly line gets $25 to put part x in. The auto tech that went to school to learn how to fix the WHOLE car gets $18-22. WTF? The pay is out of line for the job they do. They get specialized jobs in these plants. If they drive a forklift that is all they do ALL DAY EVERY DAY. They don't drive a forklift then bolt on wheels then bolt in seats and later in the day install rear assemblies. Unions will not stop jobs from leaving the country. They will not stop outsourcing. If anything in this economy they will spur the drive of jobs out of the country. Why pay Dave $25/hr in a union to do what Jane can do in the same plant for $15? I would work in a plant doing the same thing everyday, every shift for pay like that if I was interested in working in a plant. I live in STL. Dodge closed the plant here that made minivans and Rams. Ford closed its Explorer plant here too. How did the unions stop them? How did they protect the jobs? Why didn't other plants strike Dodge of Ford when those people lost their jobs? Wheres the solidarity? Its a false brotherhood.![Barf](https://ls1tech.com/forums/images/smilies/LS1Tech/gr_barf.gif)
I look at this way. The guy on the assembly line gets $25 to put part x in. The auto tech that went to school to learn how to fix the WHOLE car gets $18-22. WTF? The pay is out of line for the job they do. They get specialized jobs in these plants. If they drive a forklift that is all they do ALL DAY EVERY DAY. They don't drive a forklift then bolt on wheels then bolt in seats and later in the day install rear assemblies. Unions will not stop jobs from leaving the country. They will not stop outsourcing. If anything in this economy they will spur the drive of jobs out of the country. Why pay Dave $25/hr in a union to do what Jane can do in the same plant for $15? I would work in a plant doing the same thing everyday, every shift for pay like that if I was interested in working in a plant. I live in STL. Dodge closed the plant here that made minivans and Rams. Ford closed its Explorer plant here too. How did the unions stop them? How did they protect the jobs? Why didn't other plants strike Dodge of Ford when those people lost their jobs? Wheres the solidarity? Its a false brotherhood.
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You'll get no objection from me on the lousy job we do of getting justice for those working in factories that are shut down. If reverse Marxism is your argument regarding proper compensation for workers based on skill level then thats your choice but whether you like it or not the people that once did those low skilled jobs were the same ones that fought to earn the standard of living we all enjoy today. Looking for another job is much easier said then done when companies keep shutting the doors and moving the jobs for more profits to fill their pockets with. Corporations no nothing of compassion and laws and unions are the one thing keeping them from abusing workers as many American companies do in parts of the world they can get away with it
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Only because corporations have something to lose by allowing its workers to negotiate with them. They have hired firms that run ad campaigns to make sure every American worker has a delusional view of unions in order to help keep them from votes in their businesses. Funny how you you never hear about the CEO and other execs that take home over 80million a year and how CEOs now take home over 500 times what its workers do as opposed to 3 decades ago when it was less than 90 times. And yet unions are somehow the greedy ones.
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Oh no. I think that CEO's should be the first to be fired or at least have to endure a pay cut when a company is faltering. But how can anyone think that 15% pay increases are reasonable? When the rate of inflation from say January of 2009 to January of 2010 is less than 3%.
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Looking for another job is much easier said then done when companies keep shutting the doors and moving the jobs for more profits to fill their pockets with. Corporations no nothing of compassion and laws and unions are the one thing keeping them from abusing workers as many American companies do in parts of the world they can get away with it
How do you buy a American TV or stereo for your car though? Those industries left America for cheap labor a long time ago.
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Another reason this country is as good as it is is because we can choose not to buy products from those companies. If you feel you have been wronged take your business somewhere else. Unions are not going to stop the outsourcing. And business are in business to MAKE MONEY. Not friends. They unlike politicians are not elected to have your best interest in mind just their bottom line. Its cold.
How do you buy a American TV or stereo for your car though? Those industries left America for cheap labor a long time ago.
How do you buy a American TV or stereo for your car though? Those industries left America for cheap labor a long time ago.
No, unions wont stop globalization, nor do I believe we should. Im very much in favor of it personally. And I want to be among those that will one day win contracts and recognition for Mexican workers and start to give those people a decent standard of living.
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No I dont want to hear your outrage about a lousy CEO taking home millions. Anyone one can be outraged over that.Tell me honestly, How would you handle yourself when a hand full of individuals are telling you that the pay and benefits you need to take care of yourself and your family is too much for them to afford when they themselves take home nearly $500million between themselves year after year?
Show me a company that isn't run that way? Stock holders are who those guys answer to. I am not his boss. I am not the one who has the power to take away a CEO's power. This country was built on the backs of hard workers and those same hard workers had tycoons standing on them backed by the government. The government eventually created OSHA and other regulatory bodies and laws to protect the employees more.
Now I will stop there before this topic gets derailed to a political one. And I hope others do to as that will surely get this thread locked.
I respect your point of view Wannabess00 and I enjoy the debate with you. I felt it should be said since to many topics turn in someone getting butt hurt. And I thank you for that.
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The standard we have today is here already. The unions that fought for them no longer need to fight for what we ALREADY HAVE. They no longer need to fight. Hence why I said that would be akin fighting the British over independence when we already have it as well. Get it? When a battle or war is over the soldiers go home and put down their weapons. They don't continue to fight for a cause they already fought for.
That sounds interesting.
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Ok I'll say it this way.
The standard we have today is here already. The unions that fought for them no longer need to fight for what we ALREADY HAVE. They no longer need to fight. Hence why I said that would be akin fighting the British over independence when we already have it as well. Get it? When a battle or war is over the soldiers go home and put down their weapons. They don't continue to fight for a cause they already fought for.
The standard we have today is here already. The unions that fought for them no longer need to fight for what we ALREADY HAVE. They no longer need to fight. Hence why I said that would be akin fighting the British over independence when we already have it as well. Get it? When a battle or war is over the soldiers go home and put down their weapons. They don't continue to fight for a cause they already fought for.
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Its funny you should say that that way. What you make is what you make. I don't let it bother me and cry....really??? Then why strike? Why walk off a job? Because you or your union reps decide that x amount is no longer good enough and can create a work stoppage. Sounds like what happens when I tell my 3 year old he can't do something while I'm in a store. He stops what hes doing and throws a fit. ![GTFO](https://ls1tech.com/forums/images/smilies/gtfoslap.gif)
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im betting gettlefinger or any other union rep would have you walking away from a bargaining table crying like a 3 yo so you can STFU and GTFO.
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UAW and other unions arent going away. deal with it. no need to have this argument over and over.
but what i find funny is WTF do alot of you that bitch about unions buy union made cars? lol, seems like some people are FOS.
buy foreign cars and be proud of yourself as many middle class wages go away. yes, i know everyone should be smarter and get better jobs and have no say on what goes on where they work. after all, employers always makes decisions with their empoyees in mind. yea right. keep thinking that and think you cant be replaced or laid off becuse youre too smart or too good lol.
but what i find funny is WTF do alot of you that bitch about unions buy union made cars? lol, seems like some people are FOS.
buy foreign cars and be proud of yourself as many middle class wages go away. yes, i know everyone should be smarter and get better jobs and have no say on what goes on where they work. after all, employers always makes decisions with their empoyees in mind. yea right. keep thinking that and think you cant be replaced or laid off becuse youre too smart or too good lol.
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UAW and other unions arent going away. deal with it. no need to have this argument over and over.
but what i find funny is WTF do alot of you that bitch about unions buy union made cars? lol, seems like some people are FOS.
buy foreign cars and be proud of yourself as many middle class wages go away. yes, i know everyone should be smarter and get better jobs and have no say on what goes on where they work. after all, employers always makes decisions with their empoyees in mind. yea right. keep thinking that and think you cant be replaced or laid off becuse youre too smart or too good lol.
but what i find funny is WTF do alot of you that bitch about unions buy union made cars? lol, seems like some people are FOS.
buy foreign cars and be proud of yourself as many middle class wages go away. yes, i know everyone should be smarter and get better jobs and have no say on what goes on where they work. after all, employers always makes decisions with their empoyees in mind. yea right. keep thinking that and think you cant be replaced or laid off becuse youre too smart or too good lol.
Can you explain to me why it is ok that my tax dollars go straight to unions for construction projects when study after study has shown the union projects cost more? Why can there be open competition for everyone to bid, after all im paying for it.
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you cant always do everything perfect, i try to support americs but dislike unions what real options do i have?
Can you explain to me why it is ok that my tax dollars go straight to unions for construction projects when study after study has shown the union projects cost more? Why can there be open competition for everyone to bid, after all im paying for it.
Can you explain to me why it is ok that my tax dollars go straight to unions for construction projects when study after study has shown the union projects cost more? Why can there be open competition for everyone to bid, after all im paying for it.
can you show me a study that says most construction projects go to union co. over non union?
but again, why does every time unions are brought up it becomes a bangwagon of anti union posts of mostly stereotypes and nonsense?
if a union worker makes more than a job someone thinks should get more thats how it goes. no need to badmouth that person because they have a job where theyre represented and another field isnt. thats how it goes. live with it. no one forces anyone to buy anything made or built by unions. SO DONT if you have a problem with it.
talk to your local politician or your state reps if you have a problem where your tax money is spent. good luck with that though lol.
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Why is it that these "better trained, more qualified" workers are afraid of a free market?
Whats wrong with letting the market determine what someone should be paid rather than artificially raising wages? Get rid of the unions and we'll see what employers are willing to pay for the work these people do. If they really are worth that much more they wouldn't need a union to represent them, they would earn and keep these jobs by their own merits.
You complain about a "living wage" but artificially raising wages of workers increases the cost of living. Say all the bread bakers go on strike because they think they should be paid more? Guess what the price of bread will go up if we have to pay the bakers 15% more.
If you think you should be paid more by all means quit and go get that job, because if you are really worth more someone will pay it. Or we could unionize and artificially raise or wages through extortion...
Whats wrong with letting the market determine what someone should be paid rather than artificially raising wages? Get rid of the unions and we'll see what employers are willing to pay for the work these people do. If they really are worth that much more they wouldn't need a union to represent them, they would earn and keep these jobs by their own merits.
You complain about a "living wage" but artificially raising wages of workers increases the cost of living. Say all the bread bakers go on strike because they think they should be paid more? Guess what the price of bread will go up if we have to pay the bakers 15% more.
If you think you should be paid more by all means quit and go get that job, because if you are really worth more someone will pay it. Or we could unionize and artificially raise or wages through extortion...
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You know its funny to me to listen to some of you bash unions and then turn right around and support the cars that they build. Who are you having never worked in a factory to sit back and determine what sombody else should make. So what they make $30 dollars an hour, if thats what they bargain for then thats what they should make. Theres a ton of training that these guys go through, lots of skill goes into what they do. How dare you attack them. You think the price of the car is gonna go down if there pay gets cut in half? Get real, the CEO's will take that money and put it in there own pocket. How about supporting the working guy. Union people spend the money they make in your neighborhoods. The money that these hardworking people make keep economys moving. Quit being a f*cking hater and support them.
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Ok I'll say it this way.
The standard we have today is here already. The unions that fought for them no longer need to fight for what we ALREADY HAVE. They no longer need to fight. Hence why I said that would be akin fighting the British over independence when we already have it as well. Get it? When a battle or war is over the soldiers go home and put down their weapons. They don't continue to fight for a cause they already fought for.
The standard we have today is here already. The unions that fought for them no longer need to fight for what we ALREADY HAVE. They no longer need to fight. Hence why I said that would be akin fighting the British over independence when we already have it as well. Get it? When a battle or war is over the soldiers go home and put down their weapons. They don't continue to fight for a cause they already fought for.