Holden Confirms Commodore Will Return To the US Under Chevrolet
#161
Chevelle!!!!
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#162
I agree with the Impala and Malibu being nearly the same car these days.
+1 for making this the new Impala and keep the Malibu what it is.
The Malibu was originally a trim level of a Chevelle. It makes no sense to call this Chevelle if the Malibu is a smaller front wheel drive car.
+1 for making this the new Impala and keep the Malibu what it is.
The Malibu was originally a trim level of a Chevelle. It makes no sense to call this Chevelle if the Malibu is a smaller front wheel drive car.
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#165
1) The Chevelle was never an aggressively-styled car. It was very simple.
2) This seems retardedly-easy to figure out, and I'll be very disappointed if GM does make this simple connection;
2) This seems retardedly-easy to figure out, and I'll be very disappointed if GM does make this simple connection;
Originally Posted by The people in the update
My take: the current Malibu and the Impala are almost the same car. Make this the new Impala with three engine choices – 3.6L V-6, 5.3 or 6.0L V-8 and 6.2L V-8 – with the latter being the high performance (SS) model. Seems simple enough, and will definitely make the 94-96 Impala crowd happy that they have a RWD V-8 again. Plus with the G8-based Caprice already on the way for Police duty, there would definitely be a nice sense of symmetry (with the 90s models).
#166
And this is a Chevelle sedan. Is the Commodore really not worthy of taking over the name from THIS?
If anything, the concept Chevy "Commodore" is too aggressive. The Chevelle SS (and yes I love them, so don't take this the wrong way) was a boring car with a big motor and some nice paint.
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Some people view the present that way as well.
Your picture is a poor representation of the spirit of Chevelle SS, a spirit that I can only assume GM is hoping to recreate and sell by resurrecting the Chevelle SS name. The Chevy Commodore is going to be marketed as a performance car with a performance engine only (against the likes of cars such as Charger R/T). Your picture of a '70 4-door hardtop Malibu with a 307 V8 was not considered nor marketed as a performance contender by any means, then or now.
The "performance" variant of your pictured '70 4-door Malibu would have been cars like these:
And yes, IMO these are aggressive looking cars. These cars are considered to be classic GM muscle styling by the majority, regardless of your opinion.
As usual, our opinions vary so greatly that I'm totally unable to see your side of this. I find nothing boring about the two Chevelle SSs I have pictured above, as a matter of fact I feel that very little designed before or since has been comparably attractive.
The "performance" variant of your pictured '70 4-door Malibu would have been cars like these:
And yes, IMO these are aggressive looking cars. These cars are considered to be classic GM muscle styling by the majority, regardless of your opinion.
As usual, our opinions vary so greatly that I'm totally unable to see your side of this. I find nothing boring about the two Chevelle SSs I have pictured above, as a matter of fact I feel that very little designed before or since has been comparably attractive.
#170
I'd place money that whether it's called Chevelle or ******* Shitsack Mobile won't make a damn bit of difference on how it performs
#171
Some people view the present that way as well.
Your picture is a poor representation of the spirit of Chevelle SS, a spirit that I can only assume GM is hoping to recreate and sell by resurrecting the Chevelle SS name. The Chevy Commodore is going to be marketed as a performance car with a performance engine only (against the likes of cars such as Charger R/T). Your picture of a '70 4-door hardtop Malibu with a 307 V8 was not considered nor marketed as a performance contender by any means, then or now.
The "performance" variant of your pictured '70 4-door Malibu would have been cars like these:
And yes, IMO these are aggressive looking cars. These cars are considered to be classic GM muscle styling by the majority, regardless of your opinion.
As usual, our opinions vary so greatly that I'm totally unable to see your side of this. I find nothing boring about the two Chevelle SSs I have pictured above, as a matter of fact I feel that very little designed before or since has been comparably attractive.
Your picture is a poor representation of the spirit of Chevelle SS, a spirit that I can only assume GM is hoping to recreate and sell by resurrecting the Chevelle SS name. The Chevy Commodore is going to be marketed as a performance car with a performance engine only (against the likes of cars such as Charger R/T). Your picture of a '70 4-door hardtop Malibu with a 307 V8 was not considered nor marketed as a performance contender by any means, then or now.
The "performance" variant of your pictured '70 4-door Malibu would have been cars like these:
And yes, IMO these are aggressive looking cars. These cars are considered to be classic GM muscle styling by the majority, regardless of your opinion.
As usual, our opinions vary so greatly that I'm totally unable to see your side of this. I find nothing boring about the two Chevelle SSs I have pictured above, as a matter of fact I feel that very little designed before or since has been comparably attractive.
#172
stfu and quit arguing!! if you dont like the old chevelles go buy a ******* mustang then!
Dear GM,
Make this car so that I may buy one because you decided to hire ******* inbreed ***** that didn't know **** about designing cars nor marketing and doomed the performance brand of your company, thus ******* my out of buying a G8 new from you. This will maybe come close to being respectable again in my eyes. Thank you.
Dear GM,
Make this car so that I may buy one because you decided to hire ******* inbreed ***** that didn't know **** about designing cars nor marketing and doomed the performance brand of your company, thus ******* my out of buying a G8 new from you. This will maybe come close to being respectable again in my eyes. Thank you.
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I pray that they are not planning on saddling this car with the Chevelle name.
People don't associate the name with boring sedans, no matter what wore the name in the 1960s. That's not what it stands for today and this car wasn't intended to live up to that.
Making it an Impala SS to the current FWD (and extremely lame) Impala would be a much better idea IMO.
People don't associate the name with boring sedans, no matter what wore the name in the 1960s. That's not what it stands for today and this car wasn't intended to live up to that.
Making it an Impala SS to the current FWD (and extremely lame) Impala would be a much better idea IMO.
#175
As much as it won't be an impala, I agree it should be. A name holds a lot of sentiment with people. I like at the car pictured, thinking the name Impala and I think "that's freakin good looking car."
I do the same thinking Chevelle and I go "meh...needs more awesome." And that's coming from a guy who doesn't really care for old chevys as much as pontiacs and mopars.
I do the same thinking Chevelle and I go "meh...needs more awesome." And that's coming from a guy who doesn't really care for old chevys as much as pontiacs and mopars.
#177
If the only thing they're doing with this car is going after the v8 Charger R/T & SRT-8, then this car is going to fail sales-wise. Cars like that don't survive on the sales of their top-of-the-line trim level. The v6 models are everywhere. I can't leave my house without seeing 50 v6 Chargers. This car needs a base v6 option if it's going to be competitive in the marketplace.
I'm sure it'll be more than competent on the track, whether it's straight, oval, or a street/road course. But you can't expect to be able to produce a car with only a top-of-the-line engine/trim and expect it to sell in enough numbers to be profitable outside of a niche market. This car is not going to be a niche car. So I reiterate, it NEEDS a v6 base model.
Also, for Irunelevens and RPM WS6, the angle of the shot plays a large role in the perceived aggression in styling. The first pictures in both your posts were of essentially the same car. The only real differences were the color of the paint and the angle of the shot. The lower angle shot in RPM WS6's post looks significantly more aggressive than in Irunelevens's post. Even if you put them both in black & white, the lower angle shot is more aggressive. It accentuates the body lines and makes things look bulgier and more muscular. The same thing goes for the second pic in RPM WS6's post. Also, not having a woman driving helps.
I'm sure it'll be more than competent on the track, whether it's straight, oval, or a street/road course. But you can't expect to be able to produce a car with only a top-of-the-line engine/trim and expect it to sell in enough numbers to be profitable outside of a niche market. This car is not going to be a niche car. So I reiterate, it NEEDS a v6 base model.
Also, for Irunelevens and RPM WS6, the angle of the shot plays a large role in the perceived aggression in styling. The first pictures in both your posts were of essentially the same car. The only real differences were the color of the paint and the angle of the shot. The lower angle shot in RPM WS6's post looks significantly more aggressive than in Irunelevens's post. Even if you put them both in black & white, the lower angle shot is more aggressive. It accentuates the body lines and makes things look bulgier and more muscular. The same thing goes for the second pic in RPM WS6's post. Also, not having a woman driving helps.
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Cost is a problem. With the Australian dollar now on par with the greenback, shipping cars from Australia is now an expensive proposition. In addition, some minor re-certification work will also likely need to be performed to get the car back to U.S. spec. Because of this, and CAFE requirements, the Chevy sedan will only be available as a V-8, and in relatively limited numbers. Holden has also developed a U.S. market version of its mechanically identical Caprice long wheelbase sedan for police applications, but GM continues to insist that it will be for law enforcement duty only.
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They're not likely going to bother selling a V6 this time. V6 G8s cost nearly as much as the V8s and sales were weak, the bulk of the sales were V8 GTs.
If I were in GM I would throw out the idea to simply sell it as the top Impala, the SS, as a separate Impala model while continuing to offer the current FWD Impala we know as lesser models under it.
It's also worth noting most of the Charger's retail sales are HEMIs as well. Fleet and government buyers are the ones getting the V6s.
If I were in GM I would throw out the idea to simply sell it as the top Impala, the SS, as a separate Impala model while continuing to offer the current FWD Impala we know as lesser models under it.
It's also worth noting most of the Charger's retail sales are HEMIs as well. Fleet and government buyers are the ones getting the V6s.