Edmunds Full-Test - 2012 R35 Nissan GT-R Black Edition
02-11-2011, 02:54 PM
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02-12-2011, 04:38 PM
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Yea, those 1/4 mile times seem 
GT-R beat the ZR1 by .6 and the the GT-R trapped ~1mph HIGHER in the 1/4 mile.
How does a GT-R that weights 3800lbs+ and puts down 430rwhp trap higher than a ZR1? My guess... there were some pretty significant DA differences they forgot to mention.
GT-R beat the ZR1 by .6 and the the GT-R trapped ~1mph HIGHER in the 1/4 mile.
How does a GT-R that weights 3800lbs+ and puts down 430rwhp trap higher than a ZR1? My guess... there were some pretty significant DA differences they forgot to mention.
02-12-2011, 05:37 PM
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Even so, it's not unusual for a stock ZR1 to dyno in the 530-550rwhp range and it weighs close to 500lbs lighter. On paper it looks like there's no way a GTR could trap higher unless there were some other factors like DA playing a mojor role.
02-12-2011, 08:15 PM
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The GTR has AWD folks... It's bound to accelerate well from zero. The ZR1 is a lighter car with more power and 2 fewer wheels trying to bite the dust... It probably needs more "finesse" to get that job done.
Straightline acceleration hardly tells the story... This type of car is simply excellent and I wish more companies built them.
Straightline acceleration hardly tells the story... This type of car is simply excellent and I wish more companies built them.
02-15-2011, 11:03 PM
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Yea, those 1/4 mile times seem
GT-R beat the ZR1 by .6 and the the GT-R trapped ~1mph HIGHER in the 1/4 mile.
How does a GT-R that weights 3800lbs+ and puts down 430rwhp trap higher than a ZR1? My guess... there were some pretty significant DA differences they forgot to mention.
GT-R beat the ZR1 by .6 and the the GT-R trapped ~1mph HIGHER in the 1/4 mile.
How does a GT-R that weights 3800lbs+ and puts down 430rwhp trap higher than a ZR1? My guess... there were some pretty significant DA differences they forgot to mention.
The GT-R put down 430awhp on a Mustang Dyno. 09-11 GT-Rs put down 410-430awhp on a dynojet. The car will read much higher on a dynojet for sure. I would say somewhere around 480-500awhp.
02-16-2011, 06:30 AM
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02-16-2011, 08:09 AM
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GM needs to invest in a new design for the Vette. It's about time to go the mid engine route, if they do not want the extra weight of an awd. Having more traction over the rear wheels would help tremendously.
02-16-2011, 04:05 PM
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2nd video, post 49... Was it just me, or did Randy Probst make a blunder by saying the 2011 GT500 has a Supercharged 5.0L Boss 302 underhood? Someone tell me I heard him wrong... There's simply no excuse for him to NOT know there's a 5.4 powering that thing. Around the 7:30 second mark. The Shelby GT350 has a 5.0L, but it's not a factory built Ford piece. The S/C on that one is installed by Shelby, on the factory produced 5.0L (which may have several other mods for all I know) and produces WAY more power. In fact, I think that one would've been a better competitor by longshot, for about the same price as the others, or at least not 40k less.
The ZO6 was optioned more than I think it needed to be for this challenge and I also think Randy may have had a better lap time if the electronics were on, probably beating the GT-R overall. He's good, I'm sure. Those electronics aren't there because they're second rate, however.
The GT-R itself is an amazing car. The only drawback, it's starting 91k price tag. That's a major increase over last years 84k base price, even with 45hp more. If ya have the cash, it's probably gonna feel worth every penny, however. That has simply MUST be fun to drive, albeit perhaps a bit too easy at times.
The ZO6 was optioned more than I think it needed to be for this challenge and I also think Randy may have had a better lap time if the electronics were on, probably beating the GT-R overall. He's good, I'm sure. Those electronics aren't there because they're second rate, however.
The GT-R itself is an amazing car. The only drawback, it's starting 91k price tag. That's a major increase over last years 84k base price, even with 45hp more. If ya have the cash, it's probably gonna feel worth every penny, however. That has simply MUST be fun to drive, albeit perhaps a bit too easy at times.
02-17-2011, 01:19 AM
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What a great and amazing car, really amazing technology incorporated into it. Competition is great. I always root for American cars, but right now I actually don't care about GT-R vs ZR1 because I know I'll never be able to afford either car. Plus the competition between the companies is great for us no matter which camp you're in.
And if you can actually afford to buy one of these damn things in the first place, I doubt the maintenance cost of a ZR1 vs the GT-R would really matter much.
But I also think the GT-R is ugly, especially the front. The 350z and 370z are very attractive in my opinion, and the fact that I find them better looking than the GT-R really makes the GT-R a turn-off for me considering the price.
And if you can actually afford to buy one of these damn things in the first place, I doubt the maintenance cost of a ZR1 vs the GT-R would really matter much.
But I also think the GT-R is ugly, especially the front. The 350z and 370z are very attractive in my opinion, and the fact that I find them better looking than the GT-R really makes the GT-R a turn-off for me considering the price.
02-17-2011, 10:32 AM
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What a great and amazing car, really amazing technology incorporated into it. Competition is great. I always root for American cars
But I also think the GT-R is ugly, especially the front. The 350z and 370z are very attractive in my opinion, and the fact that I find them better looking than the GT-R really makes the GT-R a turn-off for me considering the price.
But I also think the GT-R is ugly, especially the front. The 350z and 370z are very attractive in my opinion, and the fact that I find them better looking than the GT-R really makes the GT-R a turn-off for me considering the price.
02-17-2011, 11:26 AM
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This isn't about a ZR1... That car is surely faster... This is part of why I didn't like the challengers so much. The ZO6 used was almost wearing a ZR1 price tag, but would get SMOKED by the ZR1, I'm sure. The deal was simple though... 5 digit price tag. That leaves out ZR1's.
The GN is what it is and when I drove one, there was always a smile on my face. But alas, I was young and really smart back then.... The great thing about that car was that it was what it was... straight forward turbocharged V6 courage in a mid-size comfort-mobile. It's performance was grand, in a straight line. In this kind of challenge, it would simply face anhihilation across the board. It wasn't nearly as quick or powerful as these cars and weighs nearly what the GT500 does while being 200+hp short of the same. Great cars for their time and all that, but not remotely comparable here.
Aside from the top-rated GT350(which I don't truly call a factory Ford anyway), I really can't think of another car that could've been used in this test and faired well with the price restrictions in place, against any of the 3 cars chosen. 2012 will bring change to that statement, no question.
The GN is what it is and when I drove one, there was always a smile on my face. But alas, I was young and really smart back then.... The great thing about that car was that it was what it was... straight forward turbocharged V6 courage in a mid-size comfort-mobile. It's performance was grand, in a straight line. In this kind of challenge, it would simply face anhihilation across the board. It wasn't nearly as quick or powerful as these cars and weighs nearly what the GT500 does while being 200+hp short of the same. Great cars for their time and all that, but not remotely comparable here.
Aside from the top-rated GT350(which I don't truly call a factory Ford anyway), I really can't think of another car that could've been used in this test and faired well with the price restrictions in place, against any of the 3 cars chosen. 2012 will bring change to that statement, no question.
02-17-2011, 11:35 AM
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Btw, Nissanusa lists the 2010 and 2011 at 84k to start... I found that odd, since I've seen 91k pricing all over the place.
02-17-2011, 03:04 PM
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Wow... The American version gets a 21mpg hwy rating(and a gas guzzler tax, no doubt), but it also says it's 485hp, like the 2010 model. I guess they're still selling the 2011, and it's the same as 2010... Anyway, it sure gets "alot" better mileage away from America! 
02-17-2011, 10:24 PM
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) so my 370Z, if I were to ever buy a Japanese nameplate vehicle that is, would be around $30k even (before discounts/rebates). 
No one will be paying under $91k (probably not even under $100k) for a 2012 GT-R anytime soon.
Well, yeah, I suppose. But that car has back seats much like the Porsche 911 has back seats, they're sort of there 'in name' only LOL.
