Autoblog - 2012 Ford Mustang BOSS 302
02-27-2011, 09:35 PM
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02-27-2011, 10:56 PM
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My main complaint with the limited production is that it makes it harder to secure one without dealer mark-ups. If you can land one for MSRP, you're making out pretty good.
02-28-2011, 09:29 AM
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^Ya I dont know. I have never driven a 5th Gen but something about it just doesnt do it for me. Maybe Im bias after owning a 4th gen Camaro and now having a WS6 but I just love that style so much more. My whole life I have always hated on mustangs but the new 5.0s really impress me not in just performance but styling and affordability.
03-01-2011, 07:41 AM
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Nah, it's not America's best answer but it is a damn good answer...and in the areas of value, nostalgia and basic coolness it might even FAR exceed the M3.
Ford GT.
Ya know, when they make those comparisons to the M3 they're not necessarily talking about fine leathers and door gaps. They're really referring to lap times and winning races, ya know, things that are FAR MORE important to a true performance car enthusiast than how good the speakers in the headrests sound or how effective the iDrive system is at finding a good steakhouse.
The Mustang isn't exactly a poorly built car and for that matter, BMWs haven't been without their own notable issues in the areas of quality or reliability either.
You're right, the Boss 302 is the better value and probably the overall better track car as well.
Ford GT.
Ya know, when they make those comparisons to the M3 they're not necessarily talking about fine leathers and door gaps. They're really referring to lap times and winning races, ya know, things that are FAR MORE important to a true performance car enthusiast than how good the speakers in the headrests sound or how effective the iDrive system is at finding a good steakhouse.
The Mustang isn't exactly a poorly built car and for that matter, BMWs haven't been without their own notable issues in the areas of quality or reliability either.
You're right, the Boss 302 is the better value and probably the overall better track car as well.
Great job comparing the M3, which starts at 55,900 to the Ford GT that had a sticker of about 152,000....I should hope that something nearly 3 times the price would at least be the same quality. The 41K that the Boss 302 is projected to start at, is not all that far off the M3. I think you get a few more things with the M3, such as a rear seat without a jungle gym, useable trunk space, any creature comforts you would likely want, great warranty and maintenance plan....on top of all of the power and performance stuff. Not to mention the fact that the M3 doesn't look like a Hot Wheels car with the stupid stripes and color coded everything screaming "look at me, I'm important!"
I'm just saying, its a stupid comparison because these 2 cars are in completely different categories. Its no different when Top Gear compared the 5th gen to a 63 AMG Benz sedean, they have nothing in common.
03-01-2011, 12:35 PM
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Do you know if they also removed those restricter plates in the exhaust in the vid?
I think that whole quad exhaust thing was kinda cool. Didn't think any auto manufacturer had the ***** to do something like that. Wonder where it dumps though...looks like under the car as opposed to out the sides.
03-01-2011, 12:54 PM
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But then again, "great job" on making some silly blanket statements of your own as well.
Well, at least one of us can admit that we were wrong LOL.
03-01-2011, 01:11 PM
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Ya know, I'd feel a lot better if I knew people were actually looking at ONLY the true merits of the cars when making comparisons and not also allowing what their friends at the country club were going to think or how the money grubbing hoe bag at the bar was going to respond when he pulls up to the curb to cloud their judgement.
Sometimes I get the impression that opinion often gets substituted for fact solely due to the label attached to a vehicle, "well of course it's a BMW, it simply has to be better" etc.
In a race, the car that wins is the winner, period.
When the Corvettes beat the Ferraris and Jaguars at LeMans (or when the Mustangs beat the M3s when they race here in the U.S.) the organizers didn't then take the wins away because the others may have had nicer suede on their seats and shift ***** LOL.
The trophy, the trophy girls, the prize money etc ALWAYS goes to the winner.
Sometimes I get the impression that opinion often gets substituted for fact solely due to the label attached to a vehicle, "well of course it's a BMW, it simply has to be better" etc.
In a race, the car that wins is the winner, period.
When the Corvettes beat the Ferraris and Jaguars at LeMans (or when the Mustangs beat the M3s when they race here in the U.S.) the organizers didn't then take the wins away because the others may have had nicer suede on their seats and shift ***** LOL.
The trophy, the trophy girls, the prize money etc ALWAYS goes to the winner.
03-01-2011, 05:28 PM
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/\/\/\ +1 I definitely agree.
There's just alot of Bimmer fans/enthusiasts that don't like the idea of the mighty M3's performance coming in second fiddle to American pig iron. Ford targeted the new Mustangs' performance at the M3 because the M3 is considered the benchmark for modern 2+2 RWD coupe performance. Anyone who wants to get all worked up over price differences and/or amenities just doesn't understand the point of the comparison.
There's just alot of Bimmer fans/enthusiasts that don't like the idea of the mighty M3's performance coming in second fiddle to American pig iron. Ford targeted the new Mustangs' performance at the M3 because the M3 is considered the benchmark for modern 2+2 RWD coupe performance. Anyone who wants to get all worked up over price differences and/or amenities just doesn't understand the point of the comparison.
03-01-2011, 05:47 PM
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Maybe I'm the minority here, but what's wrong with a performance car being able to rip off a great lap time while hauling your kids around and finding a good steakhouse all at the same time? I understand that Ford wants to build a niche car for the few thousand of you guys that want to be a SCCA racer someday, but the likely truth of the matter is most of these cars will be bought by collectors and hardly ever driven, let alone beaten on a track.
The 41K that the Boss 302 is projected to start at, is not all that far off the M3.
I think you get a few more things with the M3, such as a rear seat without a jungle gym, useable trunk space, any creature comforts you would likely want, great warranty and maintenance plan....on top of all of the power and performance stuff.
Not to mention the fact that the M3 doesn't look like a Hot Wheels car with the stupid stripes and color coded everything screaming "look at me, I'm important!"
I'm just saying, its a stupid comparison because these 2 cars are in completely different categories.
Its no different when Top Gear compared the 5th gen to a 63 AMG Benz sedean.
03-01-2011, 06:33 PM
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Maybe I'm the minority here, but what's wrong with a performance car being able to rip off a great lap time while hauling your kids around and finding a good steakhouse all at the same time? I understand that Ford wants to build a niche car for the few thousand of you guys that want to be a SCCA racer someday, but the likely truth of the matter is most of these cars will be bought by collectors and hardly ever driven, let alone beaten on a track.
Great job comparing the M3, which starts at 55,900 to the Ford GT that had a sticker of about 152,000....I should hope that something nearly 3 times the price would at least be the same quality. The 41K that the Boss 302 is projected to start at, is not all that far off the M3. I think you get a few more things with the M3, such as a rear seat without a jungle gym, useable trunk space, any creature comforts you would likely want, great warranty and maintenance plan....on top of all of the power and performance stuff. Not to mention the fact that the M3 doesn't look like a Hot Wheels car with the stupid stripes and color coded everything screaming "look at me, I'm important!"
I'm just saying, its a stupid comparison because these 2 cars are in completely different categories. Its no different when Top Gear compared the 5th gen to a 63 AMG Benz sedean, they have nothing in common.
Great job comparing the M3, which starts at 55,900 to the Ford GT that had a sticker of about 152,000....I should hope that something nearly 3 times the price would at least be the same quality. The 41K that the Boss 302 is projected to start at, is not all that far off the M3. I think you get a few more things with the M3, such as a rear seat without a jungle gym, useable trunk space, any creature comforts you would likely want, great warranty and maintenance plan....on top of all of the power and performance stuff. Not to mention the fact that the M3 doesn't look like a Hot Wheels car with the stupid stripes and color coded everything screaming "look at me, I'm important!"
I'm just saying, its a stupid comparison because these 2 cars are in completely different categories. Its no different when Top Gear compared the 5th gen to a 63 AMG Benz sedean, they have nothing in common.
My blanket statements will keep me warm...
What is the released time that the BOSS 302 has lapped the Nurburgring?
If the BOSS 302 is the Track car they say it is then it should be compared to the track/enthusiast car version of the M3 (Generally something called the CSL; last made for the E46 Series)? So the GT to M3; BOSS to M3 CSL.
How many Mustangs are competitively raced in ALMS?
03-01-2011, 07:06 PM
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My blanket statements will keep me warm...
What is the released time that the BOSS 302 has lapped the Nurburgring?
If the BOSS 302 is the Track car they say it is then it should be compared to the track/enthusiast car version of the M3 (Generally something called the CSL; last made for the E46 Series)? So the GT to M3; BOSS to M3 CSL.
03-02-2011, 07:50 AM
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Oh great, another one who thinks this new Boss is a sticker and body kit special.
Kinda like ignorance delivers bliss?
I don't think it has made a pass there yet. Does that mean the car doesn't exist yet?
So you want to compare the BRAND new Boss to a car BMW hasn't built for years? Umm, ok. The M3 currently IS the track/enthusiast model for the 3 series.....and the ordinary Mustang GT (incidently the MIDDLE child model of the Mustang line) hangs with it and even beats it in a number of categories. So....I'm not so sure that standing behind that statement makes your opinion look any smarter.
Kinda like ignorance delivers bliss?
I don't think it has made a pass there yet. Does that mean the car doesn't exist yet?
So you want to compare the BRAND new Boss to a car BMW hasn't built for years? Umm, ok. The M3 currently IS the track/enthusiast model for the 3 series.....and the ordinary Mustang GT (incidently the MIDDLE child model of the Mustang line) hangs with it and even beats it in a number of categories. So....I'm not so sure that standing behind that statement makes your opinion look any smarter.
moving on to the guy who was praising Ford for being the first automaker to "having the *****" to put and bypass in the exhaust system.....wake up...GM, Mercedes Benz, and Aston Martin have been doing that for years.
03-02-2011, 09:51 AM
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