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08-28-2011, 12:23 PM
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Styling is subjective... personally, I like the Accord coupe. 271hp and a 6spd manual is ok with me as well. As far as the automatics go, as far as I know they fixed the problem. My sister had a '99 TL several years ago, and the tranny took a poop at about 97k miles. But they replaced it for free because it was under 100k.
08-28-2011, 12:29 PM
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Styling is subjective... personally, I like the Accord coupe. 271hp and a 6spd manual is ok with me as well. As far as the automatics go, as far as I know they fixed the problem. My sister had a '99 TL several years ago, and the tranny took a poop at about 97k miles. But they replaced it for free because it was under 100k.
08-30-2011, 01:47 PM
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Not really. You, me, Detroit, and everybody else with a brain knows that American cars really just caught up with the best of the foreign brands a couple/few years ago. And IMO, it takes more than 2-3 years to tell how "reliabile" a car is. So as far as new cars are concerned, the jury is still out. But when it comes to cars in the past ~20 years, I would say anybody who wants to argue that the cars made my Honda and Toyota weren't of tangibly better quality and better reliability is "full of crap."
My silverado is going on 11 years old with 190K miles on it. All i've done to it is normal maintainence and it keeps on going.
I see well taken care of honda's with 150K miles on them and I've seen well taken care of cadillacs with 150K miles on them. I just refuse to pay the "Honda is better" price for a honda civic with 200K miles on it and they want 7-9 grand for it.
08-30-2011, 03:07 PM
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While it might be difficult to believe, I have heard of other cases similar (160k+ miles, 230k miles) to that as well.
I would never wait that long to do a trans service but they say once you hit a certain mileage without ever having done it that it's probably best to just leave it and keep going.
I would never wait that long to do a trans service but they say once you hit a certain mileage without ever having done it that it's probably best to just leave it and keep going.
08-30-2011, 10:39 PM
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It depends... I rather purchase american vehicles to support our economy instead of supporting china and japans economy.
My silverado is going on 11 years old with 190K miles on it. All i've done to it is normal maintainence and it keeps on going.
I see well taken care of honda's with 150K miles on them and I've seen well taken care of cadillacs with 150K miles on them. I just refuse to pay the "Honda is better" price for a honda civic with 200K miles on it and they want 7-9 grand for it.
My silverado is going on 11 years old with 190K miles on it. All i've done to it is normal maintainence and it keeps on going.
I see well taken care of honda's with 150K miles on them and I've seen well taken care of cadillacs with 150K miles on them. I just refuse to pay the "Honda is better" price for a honda civic with 200K miles on it and they want 7-9 grand for it.
08-30-2011, 10:50 PM
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It depends... I rather purchase american vehicles to support our economy instead of supporting china and japans economy.
My silverado is going on 11 years old with 190K miles on it. All i've done to it is normal maintainence and it keeps on going.
I see well taken care of honda's with 150K miles on them and I've seen well taken care of cadillacs with 150K miles on them. I just refuse to pay the "Honda is better" price for a honda civic with 200K miles on it and they want 7-9 grand for it.
My silverado is going on 11 years old with 190K miles on it. All i've done to it is normal maintainence and it keeps on going.
I see well taken care of honda's with 150K miles on them and I've seen well taken care of cadillacs with 150K miles on them. I just refuse to pay the "Honda is better" price for a honda civic with 200K miles on it and they want 7-9 grand for it.
mine it's going on ten years with 312k miles. only problem it's ever had was injectors at 260k (which was well before i bought it). i'm still putting 900-1200 miles a week on it too
08-31-2011, 02:20 PM
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It depends... I rather purchase american vehicles to support our economy instead of supporting china and japans economy.
My silverado is going on 11 years old with 190K miles on it. All i've done to it is normal maintainence and it keeps on going.
I see well taken care of honda's with 150K miles on them and I've seen well taken care of cadillacs with 150K miles on them. I just refuse to pay the "Honda is better" price for a honda civic with 200K miles on it and they want 7-9 grand for it.
My silverado is going on 11 years old with 190K miles on it. All i've done to it is normal maintainence and it keeps on going.
I see well taken care of honda's with 150K miles on them and I've seen well taken care of cadillacs with 150K miles on them. I just refuse to pay the "Honda is better" price for a honda civic with 200K miles on it and they want 7-9 grand for it.
. The Big 3 have control over the 1/2 ton market, and I don't really see that changing. And I won't go too in-depth with this argument, but I would wager that giving money to employees who work at a Honda plant in Ohio is just as good for our economy as giving it to GM execs when the vehicles are made in Canada or Mexico. I think people should buy the car that fits their needs/wants best, regardless of where it is made.
08-31-2011, 03:07 PM
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^^^ Problem is if you buy a Honda or Hyundai you are not supporting the american economy... where do you think the headquarters of those companies are... Japan/china. The money goes straight there.
08-31-2011, 03:11 PM
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Edit: Also, Hyundai is based in South Korea. Not China.
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08-31-2011, 10:38 PM
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GM trucks have always been very solid. Even when the interiors were crap . The Big 3 have control over the 1/2 ton market, and I don't really see that changing. And I won't go too in-depth with this argument, but I would wager that giving money to employees who work at a Honda plant in Ohio is just as good for our economy as giving it to GM execs when the vehicles are made in Canada or Mexico. I think people should buy the car that fits their needs/wants best, regardless of where it is made.
. The Big 3 have control over the 1/2 ton market, and I don't really see that changing. And I won't go too in-depth with this argument, but I would wager that giving money to employees who work at a Honda plant in Ohio is just as good for our economy as giving it to GM execs when the vehicles are made in Canada or Mexico. I think people should buy the car that fits their needs/wants best, regardless of where it is made.
08-31-2011, 10:43 PM
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Money has to be paid to the person that sold the car, the people that work on the cars at the dealerships, the people who transport the cars to the dealerships, the people that build the cars, the people who build the factories, and the massive amounts of utilities/taxes that these corporations pay. Not to mention the fact that Honda/Toyota/Hyundai/Mercedes/etc. of North America are all almost completely separate companies from their overseas counterparts, and have their own infrastructures in this country that employ thousands of people. If you don't think that a very large amount of money stays in this country, I don't know what to tell you. As much as buying a Ford/Chevrolet? Maybe not. But I wouldn't feel bad putting money in the hands of the 15,000+ workers at Honda's Marysville, Ohio factory vs. a Ford or GM CEO. Assuming I was ever to buy a new Honda, of course.
Edit: Also, Hyundai is based in South Korea. Not China.
Edit: Also, Hyundai is based in South Korea. Not China.
09-02-2011, 07:49 AM
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^^^ The problem is you aren't understanding that Hyundai/Honda all of those companies... their headquarters are NOT in the USA. The money in the end, ends up overseas plain and simple.
09-02-2011, 08:47 AM
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Not really. You, me, Detroit, and everybody else with a brain knows that American cars really just caught up with the best of the foreign brands a couple/few years ago. And IMO, it takes more than 2-3 years to tell how "reliabile" a car is. So as far as new cars are concerned, the jury is still out. But when it comes to cars in the past ~20 years, I would say anybody who wants to argue that the cars made my Honda and Toyota weren't of tangibly better quality and better reliability is "full of crap."
To say a whole brand is more reliable than another whole brand is a stupid statement.
Specific model (i.e. Focus vs. Civic) is more accurate, but even then, as mentioned in the thread earlier, it's more reflective of people's maintenance records and driving habits than anything. From what I've seen unless it's a performance car, foreign car owners tend to take better care of their vehicles.