Official ZL1 Power Figure and Other Details Released
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Lets put it this way, Road and Track got the newest GT500 to run a quicker time around Willow Springs than a ZR1.
At Laguna Seca, it is 1.5 seconds quicker than the Camaro SS, and at VIR it is 3.5 seconds quicker than the SS.
The newest GT500 is actually very good around a road course.
At Laguna Seca, it is 1.5 seconds quicker than the Camaro SS, and at VIR it is 3.5 seconds quicker than the SS.
The newest GT500 is actually very good around a road course.
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I'm certain that 07-09 where identical in suspension in the Gt500's. The 2010+ are still solid rear axel.
I dont know the exact changes to the 2010+ model, but I know it wasn't anything major as far as suspension, they still run solid axel.
What info do you have on the comparison between the GT500 and the boss?
The 2010 Camaro SS ran a 1:27.9 and the '07 body style Gt500 ran a 1:30.0 on topgear with an F1 driver behind the wheel on topgears track.
Also for those of you who don't know, the '12 V8 camaros (both ZL1 and SS) have completely revised FE4 suspenion different from to the '10 and '11 models. While the SS was beating the 07-09 GT500, and likely keeping up with the 10+ model in the corners, the new '12 ZL1 should definately give the GT500 a run for it's money in the curves, if not beat it.
Does anyone have roadcourse info/videos or something of a Camaro SS and a 2010+ GT500? I'd be very curious to see it. I think these cars are closer than people give credit to or want to believe. As put in my first post tho, I am not certain of the exact changes in the 2010 Gt500.
I dont know the exact changes to the 2010+ model, but I know it wasn't anything major as far as suspension, they still run solid axel.
What info do you have on the comparison between the GT500 and the boss?
The 2010 Camaro SS ran a 1:27.9 and the '07 body style Gt500 ran a 1:30.0 on topgear with an F1 driver behind the wheel on topgears track.
Also for those of you who don't know, the '12 V8 camaros (both ZL1 and SS) have completely revised FE4 suspenion different from to the '10 and '11 models. While the SS was beating the 07-09 GT500, and likely keeping up with the 10+ model in the corners, the new '12 ZL1 should definately give the GT500 a run for it's money in the curves, if not beat it.
Does anyone have roadcourse info/videos or something of a Camaro SS and a 2010+ GT500? I'd be very curious to see it. I think these cars are closer than people give credit to or want to believe. As put in my first post tho, I am not certain of the exact changes in the 2010 Gt500.
Here's a comparison R&T did with the 2011 vs the Grand Sport... http://www.roadandtrack.com/tests/co...d-shelby-gt500
I've read that the weight is down 168 lb, 84 lb and 102 lb... Idonno which is correct, but its lighter and more powerful, plus the revised suspension. The 2011 GT500 beat the 2010 by almost 2 seconds at VIT(West, I think) and also beat the Grand Sport Corvette according to one article.
The 2009 C&D Lightning Lap had the 2010 SS and 2010 GT500 in it. That was not a really close finish, GT500 lapping in 307.4 to the SS' 309.5. The 2011 GT500 ran the same lap in 3:04.0 and in the LL writeup, it says the previous GT500 ran it in 3:05.9, which I found weird. 2 different times for the same car on the same track, and the 2 weren't even close.
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Cool info, I was just trying to get at the fact that the current SS and the GT500 are still a lot closer than most people give credit to. It will be interesting to see how the '12 V8 cars do with the new electronic suspension/revisions ect. My gut feeling is that Camaro fans will be pleasantly surprised (except for chevy fans who hate everything about the new camaros-I'm still trying to figure that out
), and they will definately give the GT500 a hard time in the corners, even with the 200-400 extra pounds on the ZL1.
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The Mustang GT and Camaro SS are quite close and while either is great for the average person, in all candor the GT500 hands either its ***.
It will be interesting to see how the '12 V8 cars do with the new electronic suspension/revisions ect. My gut feeling is that Camaro fans will be pleasantly surprised (except for chevy fans who hate everything about the new camaros-I'm still trying to figure that out
), and they will definately give the GT500 a hard time in the corners, even with the 200-400 extra pounds on the ZL1.
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I believe it was only a 10hp (crank, not rear wheel) increase and that 102 (or 120?) pounds was the weight savings from 2010 to 2011.
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I've read several weights, including 102 for just the engine... As for the hp, I saw a dyno test from a Ford dealership and the 2011 put down right at 20 more than the 2010 on the same dyno, but surely a different day. They made it clear though, the new one beat the old at any and all RPM.
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4200lbs seems a bit too high for the changes they made. Other sources are saying there are no official weight figures just yet.
Car and driver: http://www.caranddriver.com/news/car...80_hp-car_news
"Development is not yet complete, so there are no weight, acceleration, top-speed, or gas-mileage figures to share."
If it IS 4200lbs, then GM made another mistake with the Camaro in my book. JMO.
A car should only weigh over 3700lbs if it has some serious equipment and luxury and has 4 doors in my opinion.
Car and driver: http://www.caranddriver.com/news/car...80_hp-car_news
"Development is not yet complete, so there are no weight, acceleration, top-speed, or gas-mileage figures to share."
If it IS 4200lbs, then GM made another mistake with the Camaro in my book. JMO.
A car should only weigh over 3700lbs if it has some serious equipment and luxury and has 4 doors in my opinion.
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The 07 GT500(I've driven), are stupid pigs! 500hp and it gives you 12.7 1/4 time? That's sad, really really sad, the loud s/c is the only thing that makes the car sound/feel cool
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FWIW, my bone stock 2010 put down more power than a bone stock 2011 on the same dyno, about 20 minutes apart from eachother. Mine had ~6k miles on it at the time, and the 2011 had slightly more. The difference is certainly not 20whp.