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Old 01-13-2012, 04:13 PM
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We've been over this. It's not just what YOU see, we are talking about what the cars are capable of.
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Originally Posted by nanokpsi
'12 GT500 vs 12 ZL1 will be a drivers race.
'13 GT500 vs ZL1 will have the ZL1 getting it's *** kicked. The shelby will have 5-6mph on it. In random run-ins on the street the ZL1 doesn't stand a chance.
Against a manual ZL1 (and with equal drivers), I'd probably agree with all of the above.
But let's not forget that the ZL1 will be available with an automatic which can be a great equalizer from a dig, especially against the current 550hp GT500.
That 70hp advantage for 2013 (if it actually happens) will be tough to beat though, that's enough 'padding' to give even a weak manual driver the ability to keep up/win. And any highway/roll race win goes to the 2013 GT500 every time.
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You guys still handing asses out?
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Does it really matter that the handling is going to be so great on the ZL1; when most drivers will never even be able to use it to it's full extent?

I drove a friends C6 Z06, and can tell you that most drivers aren't good enough drivers to even see half of what that car was built for...there is more car than there is driver.

If I wanted a car that handled exceptionally well, I would step up to the base Corvette over the Camero any day of the week.
No doesn't matter, you are 100% correct. But it's all bragging rights. Kinda like you don't need a 650hp car, or a 580hp car... **** why not we all go get corollas? It'll get us through snow better.

They brag about their handling(and hopefully back up) because it's down on power, and it needs to be able to make up for it in some other form of way, and hopefully the GM fans will be in for a pleasant surprise, hopefully

Remember how impressive the 08 Cobalt SS was when it came out? It was being compared to the EVO? I hope the ZL1 can back it up!
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It's all about bragging rights, kinda why everyone is wanting to hand each other their asses lol

Chill out kids, it's not a ferrari, a mustang will get your an equal amount of attention as a camaro and vise versa.

Even if the Camaro loses, GM still got the Vette
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Originally Posted by LS1LT1
Against a manual ZL1 (and with equal drivers), I'd probably agree with all of the above.
But let's not forget that the ZL1 will be available with an automatic which can be a great equalizer from a dig, especially against the current 550hp GT500.
That 70hp advantage for 2013 (if it actually happens) will be tough to beat though, that's enough 'padding' to give even a weak manual driver the ability to keep up/win. And any highway/roll race win goes to the 2013 GT500 every time.
I wouldn't doubt the RW numbers being in the 610-625 range, a TVS on the old 5.4 would easily make over 600rwhp

I saying it now, the '13 will go mid 11s@124-126 with an average driver...that launch control is pretty neat, MM+FF had a decent write up on it

I'd estimate the ZL1 averaging low low 12s, with a good driver and or auto cars going high 11s



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