2013 Ford Mustang Shelby GT500 - 5.8L/650hp/200+ MPH
11-21-2011, 03:24 PM
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Alot of people will never really max out either the newest Mustang or Camaro....both can be 750+ rwhp daily drivers on pump gas without giving up drivability. Both are cool looking cars and although expensive....within reach for more people then you would think.
It's a good time to be into muscle cars, they are great collector, racing and everyday cars. It's time for Dodge to step it up and join the pack. The muscle car wars are back.
I like them both and I always hated Ford. I'd usally bash Ford and although their platform isn't perfect (which I doubt the Camaro is either), they have built an awesome car no matter how you look at it......I still like the Camaro more ahhaah ;-)
It's a good time to be into muscle cars, they are great collector, racing and everyday cars. It's time for Dodge to step it up and join the pack. The muscle car wars are back.
I like them both and I always hated Ford. I'd usally bash Ford and although their platform isn't perfect (which I doubt the Camaro is either), they have built an awesome car no matter how you look at it......I still like the Camaro more ahhaah ;-)
11-24-2011, 03:23 PM
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Alot of people will never really max out either the newest Mustang or Camaro....both can be 750+ rwhp daily drivers on pump gas without giving up drivability. Both are cool looking cars and although expensive....within reach for more people then you would think.
It's a good time to be into muscle cars, they are great collector, racing and everyday cars. It's time for Dodge to step it up and join the pack. The muscle car wars are back.
I like them both and I always hated Ford. I'd usally bash Ford and although their platform isn't perfect (which I doubt the Camaro is either), they have built an awesome car no matter how you look at it
It's a good time to be into muscle cars, they are great collector, racing and everyday cars. It's time for Dodge to step it up and join the pack. The muscle car wars are back.
I like them both and I always hated Ford. I'd usally bash Ford and although their platform isn't perfect (which I doubt the Camaro is either), they have built an awesome car no matter how you look at it
Well said Joe.
11-25-2011, 06:35 PM
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11-27-2011, 12:01 AM
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This... Just remember the ZL1 was created in mind to compete with the 2011/12 GT500 NOT the 2013 GT500.. So Ford is responding to the ZL1. Just means GM will respond back with with some more hp & hopefully weight reduction. People say GM needs to catch up? Chevy comes out with the LT1 Camaro in 1993. Ford Comes out its new Mustang in 1994. Chevy comes out with the LS1 Camaro in 1998. Ford comes out with its new Mustang in 1999. Chevy then comes out with the 2010 Camaro. Ford responds with the 5.0 Mustang. Chevy comes out with the 2012 ZL1. Ford responds with the 2013 GT500 
12-17-2011, 03:02 PM
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Makes me think; why GM is even producing the LSA?? Would be less complicated to put the LS9 in everything. Anyway, the Corvette is going to be faster than every other LS9 powered car cause of the weight. Waste of time and money IMO.
GM better be waking up fast, because ZL1 wont be king of the hills for long, like 6 months LOL
GM better be waking up fast, because ZL1 wont be king of the hills for long, like 6 months LOL
12-22-2011, 07:14 AM
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Makes me think; why GM is even producing the LSA?? Would be less complicated to put the LS9 in everything. Anyway, the Corvette is going to be faster than every other LS9 powered car cause of the weight. Waste of time and money IMO.
GM better be waking up fast, because ZL1 wont be king of the hills for long, like 6 months LOL
GM better be waking up fast, because ZL1 wont be king of the hills for long, like 6 months LOL
12-22-2011, 07:43 AM
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Makes me think; why GM is even producing the LSA?? Would be less complicated to put the LS9 in everything. Anyway, the Corvette is going to be faster than every other LS9 powered car cause of the weight. Waste of time and money IMO.
GM better be waking up fast, because ZL1 wont be king of the hills for long, like 6 months LOL
GM better be waking up fast, because ZL1 wont be king of the hills for long, like 6 months LOL
01-10-2012, 03:46 AM
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Makes me think; why GM is even producing the LSA?? Would be less complicated to put the LS9 in everything. Anyway, the Corvette is going to be faster than every other LS9 powered car cause of the weight. Waste of time and money IMO.
GM better be waking up fast, because ZL1 wont be king of the hills for long, like 6 months LOL
GM better be waking up fast, because ZL1 wont be king of the hills for long, like 6 months LOL
There are reasons Pontiacs were held back. As long as mustang has more power than Vette the Camaro is fucked. 
01-10-2012, 11:19 PM
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There's nothing interesting about that 
. The '99 Cobra was a production mistake that was corrected. Ford doesn't exactly have a history of over-rating their cars, as that article would lead you to believe.
. The '99 Cobra was a production mistake that was corrected. Ford doesn't exactly have a history of over-rating their cars, as that article would lead you to believe.
01-10-2012, 11:27 PM
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haha hey like it says in the article until I see the GT500 hit the dyno, track, drag strip. I won't believe any numbers
01-11-2012, 07:26 AM
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but yet you are so ready to suck GM's dick for the zl1, which like the gt500, has not "hit the dyno, track, drag strip" bet you believ that their numbers though right?
01-11-2012, 11:05 AM
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The Ford Racing tvs kit for the 2010 cars is rated at 660hp with a 72mm pulley and is just a blower, tune and intake resonator deltete.
http://www.cjponyparts.com/product.a...paign=shopping
The new car runs the same size blower (with a reworked inlet for better flow), a 69mm pulley for more boost, has higher compression and 7% more displacemnt, yet it is "only" rated at 650hp. I am sure most people can see the car is pretty detuned from the factory, and the engineers said that the development cars had no trouble making more at the wheels than the ZL-1 is rated for at the crank.
01-12-2012, 04:09 PM
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I like how he brings up the 99' cobra incident; ever since then ford has been known to underrate their cars so the haters should be even more worried if anything. IIRC, the mach1's were rated at 305hp and they run stock/stock with LS1 fbodies(globally known as underrated at 325hp), 03-04 cobra's rated 390 and almost all of those layed 360whp to the ground. If someone is gonna undercut this new GT500 because of some 13 year old results, at least know a little about the situation. Ford now rates there cars conservatively, so I have little doubt about this easily achievable number of 650hp to the crank.
01-12-2012, 04:12 PM
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This. The 2012 GT500 already has a HP/weight advantage to the ZL1, so I'm guessing all track times are going to be close, with the '12 GT500 having the slight edge. The 2013 is just going to come and destroy it 
That was how long ago? Some people just can't handle a Mustang handing a Camaro it's ***! Not only did they fix all of the '99s with that problem, they then came out with the 03/04 Cobra that would put down about the same numbers at the wheels as it was rated at the crank. I would go as far to say that with the boost they are pushing on this new GT500 the 650hp rating is going to be noticeably less than what it's really making.
Not only did they fix all of the '99s with that problem, they then came out with the 03/04 Cobra that would put down about the same numbers at the wheels as it was rated at the crank. I would go as far to say that with the boost they are pushing on this new GT500 the 650hp rating is going to be noticeably less than what it's really making.