2013 Ford Mustang Shelby GT500 - 5.8L/650hp/200+ MPH
11-17-2011, 10:08 PM
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Personally I'd like to see the comparo done on a shorter, technical track. Like mentioned before, the 'Ring is a massive lap that can require dozens (if not hundreds) of runs before a driver really has a proper grasp of how to take every single turn. At that point it's more of a test of the driver rather than the car. A shorter, more conventional race track would be a better test of the cars' prowess IMO.
Plus...'Ring times have become too much of a marketing ploy these last few years. It's become almost like racing dyno slips now.
Plus...'Ring times have become too much of a marketing ploy these last few years. It's become almost like racing dyno slips now.
11-17-2011, 10:31 PM
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i think GM is underestimating the handling of the gt500...just like they are certain the auto will beat the gt500 at the strip. sounds like GM is not only pissed that the ZL1 is gonna get its *** handed to it on a silver platter, but also that the GT500 makes more hp than the ZR1
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11-17-2011, 11:49 PM
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We are making 750HP on the 07-12 GT500s with my VMP 2.3L TVS blower upgrade, without breaking a sweat. My personal 07 GT500 with my VMP TVS makes over 950HP (800 wheel). The 13 cars rated at only 650HP with a TVS and .4L larger displacement has got to be de-tuned like crazy. It should be interesting when we start to upgrade them. I was just on the phone yesterday with one of the big GM tuners talking about how the new ZL1s could be upgraded. It's all in good fun 
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11-18-2011, 05:12 PM
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Personally I'd like to see the comparo done on a shorter, technical track. Like mentioned before, the 'Ring is a massive lap that can require dozens (if not hundreds) of runs before a driver really has a proper grasp of how to take every single turn. At that point it's more of a test of the driver rather than the car. A shorter, more conventional race track would be a better test of the cars' prowess IMO.
Plus...'Ring times have become too much of a marketing ploy these last few years. It's become almost like racing dyno slips now.
Plus...'Ring times have become too much of a marketing ploy these last few years. It's become almost like racing dyno slips now.
11-18-2011, 07:17 PM
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My take is that if we hear a rumor, GM hears a rumor. GM knows what Ford is doing, and Ford knows what GM is doing. GM seems to be quite confident the ZL1 can compete with the GT500, so I believe that while it may be down on horsepower, it will do just that.
We all know how much a great suspension can more than make up for deficient horsepower. GM has a ton of R&D in their suspension and tweaking and it will come out when poised against the GT500. Ford's move seems to be a push of brute force as the mustang has already proven itself as a worthy track car.
It is exciting times, and I feel that magazine and website comparisons will vary based on drivers and what each journalist is looking for. Some will gauge the cars based on suspension and driving feel and some will decide on brute force.
Either way, I'm just excited to be able to pick from either of these great cars in the used market in a few years.
We all know how much a great suspension can more than make up for deficient horsepower. GM has a ton of R&D in their suspension and tweaking and it will come out when poised against the GT500. Ford's move seems to be a push of brute force as the mustang has already proven itself as a worthy track car.
It is exciting times, and I feel that magazine and website comparisons will vary based on drivers and what each journalist is looking for. Some will gauge the cars based on suspension and driving feel and some will decide on brute force.
Either way, I'm just excited to be able to pick from either of these great cars in the used market in a few years.
11-18-2011, 09:53 PM
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Because you also fail to release that the ZL1 isn't coming out until calendar year 2012, so the '13 GT500 will be out shortly thereafter.
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11-19-2011, 06:07 AM
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I'm sure I'll get flamed for this...
Does it really matter that the handling is going to be so great on the ZL1; when most drivers will never even be able to use it to it's full extent?
I drove a friends C6 Z06, and can tell you that most drivers aren't good enough drivers to even see half of what that car was built for...there is more car than there is driver.
If I wanted a car that handled exceptionally well, I would step up to the base Corvette over the Camero any day of the week.
Does it really matter that the handling is going to be so great on the ZL1; when most drivers will never even be able to use it to it's full extent?
I drove a friends C6 Z06, and can tell you that most drivers aren't good enough drivers to even see half of what that car was built for...there is more car than there is driver.
If I wanted a car that handled exceptionally well, I would step up to the base Corvette over the Camero any day of the week.
11-19-2011, 10:04 AM
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I'm sure I'll get flamed for this...
Does it really matter that the handling is going to be so great on the ZL1; when most drivers will never even be able to use it to it's full extent?
I drove a friends C6 Z06, and can tell you that most drivers aren't good enough drivers to even see half of what that car was built for...there is more car than there is driver.
If I wanted a car that handled exceptionally well, I would step up to the base Corvette over the Camero any day of the week.
Does it really matter that the handling is going to be so great on the ZL1; when most drivers will never even be able to use it to it's full extent?
I drove a friends C6 Z06, and can tell you that most drivers aren't good enough drivers to even see half of what that car was built for...there is more car than there is driver.
If I wanted a car that handled exceptionally well, I would step up to the base Corvette over the Camero any day of the week.
11-19-2011, 11:46 AM
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Does it really matter that the handling is going to be so great on the ZL1; when most drivers will never even be able to use it to it's full extent?
I drove a friends C6 Z06, and can tell you that most drivers aren't good enough drivers to even see half of what that car was built for...there is more car than there is driver.
If I wanted a car that handled exceptionally well, I would step up to the base Corvette over the Camero any day of the week.
I drove a friends C6 Z06, and can tell you that most drivers aren't good enough drivers to even see half of what that car was built for...there is more car than there is driver.
If I wanted a car that handled exceptionally well, I would step up to the base Corvette over the Camero any day of the week.
And I prefer the Camaro over those Cameros.
Good point as well.
11-19-2011, 11:51 AM
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They might not be able to use it on the street from a dig, but once moving I'm sure it is fairly easy to take advantage of all that power in a variety of situations.
11-19-2011, 05:57 PM
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This car is nice, but there is already a mustang with more power than this one.
http://www.autoblog.com/2010/09/14/s...800-horsepowe/
If I'm spending this kind of money anyway, I'm gonna get the best package
http://www.autoblog.com/2010/09/14/s...800-horsepowe/
If I'm spending this kind of money anyway, I'm gonna get the best package
11-19-2011, 06:55 PM
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11-19-2011, 08:00 PM
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Actually, yeah you're probably right on that one. But, I still think they will end up being a little bit more than $55k. Nicely optioned 2012's are over $56k, add in the new powertrain, brakes, carbon fiber drive shaft etc., etc., I don't know, I can definitely picture them being in the low-mid 60's.
But, this is all speculation, we shall see.
But, this is all speculation, we shall see.
11-19-2011, 08:49 PM
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Most likely who ever buys one of these bad boys wont be paying cash for it anyhow, so if your already gonna be financing something that expensive you might as well get a 800hp cobra.