2013 Ford Mustang Shelby GT500 - 5.8L/650hp/200+ MPH
11-16-2011, 03:51 PM
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I talking about running into one of these cars on the street, not the track. And yes, I literally did go around looking at the CARS, not just the engines. I wasn't a bit surprised to find a bunch of big power cars on all season tires. Both my cars in my sig wear nothing but drag radials on the back, and both have seen rain and snow.
I clearly stated second hand, as in they are not the original owner who spent a lot of money for a new car. They bought used at a huge discount. I say this because nobody buys a $60K Mustang to beat up on a dragstrip. $60K will put you in a couple year old Z06 or GTR.
Finally, I don't need to drive a 2011 GT500 to know that a 5.8L engine with a big positive displacement blower, manual trans and 20" tires won't work on the street.
I clearly stated second hand, as in they are not the original owner who spent a lot of money for a new car. They bought used at a huge discount. I say this because nobody buys a $60K Mustang to beat up on a dragstrip. $60K will put you in a couple year old Z06 or GTR.
Finally, I don't need to drive a 2011 GT500 to know that a 5.8L engine with a big positive displacement blower, manual trans and 20" tires won't work on the street.
So, intelligent people would never stay faithful to their spouses/significant others?
How about to the company they work for or the ball team they play for, can a person that refuses to 'sell out their boss' or throw the game for the other team never be considered intelligent?
Since when did loyalty become a bad thing.
How about to the company they work for or the ball team they play for, can a person that refuses to 'sell out their boss' or throw the game for the other team never be considered intelligent?
Since when did loyalty become a bad thing.
11-16-2011, 04:01 PM
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Nutswinging at its finest.
IDK, if they could cut the Mustang down to 32-3300lbs I would be in the same boat about the base Corvette, but I would take a Z06 over a GT500 in a heart beat. It would be a hard choice between a base Corvette and a GT500, but I think I would still probably go for the Corvette. As much as I like this car and would love to own one, it's still a Mustang. I see about 50 of them to ever Corvette, and even if it is considerably lighter than the ZL1 and the overpriced SRT8, 3800lbs is still a pretty heavy car.
IDK, if they could cut the Mustang down to 32-3300lbs I would be in the same boat about the base Corvette, but I would take a Z06 over a GT500 in a heart beat. It would be a hard choice between a base Corvette and a GT500, but I think I would still probably go for the Corvette. As much as I like this car and would love to own one, it's still a Mustang. I see about 50 of them to ever Corvette, and even if it is considerably lighter than the ZL1 and the overpriced SRT8, 3800lbs is still a pretty heavy car.
11-16-2011, 04:56 PM
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Nutswinging how exactly?
I was merely trying (unsuccesfully of course LOL) to speak/justify for others who might be brand loyal...I for one, AM NOT.
I love both GM and Ford (and Camaros and Mustangs) equally, one might be able to call me a domestic nameplate
nutswinger though. 
11-16-2011, 07:23 PM
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I guess building a car that's capable of making good use of it's power at all times is now out of style. Silly me, I should have built a dyno sheet.
11-16-2011, 08:37 PM
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Call it a generalization if you want, I won't argue that. But to say it's not close to true? 
Look around... Most of the guys here that have built their cars did so second hand, especially the more expensive stuff like the Z06s.
Finally, I have no reason to troll Mustang sites. I've met more GT500 owners than you have posts. Having driven numerous GT500s (through 2010), C6Z06s, and the like. I can say in my experience the GT500 simply cannot make good use of the power it already has. This is backed up the the countless 13 second quarters I've seen from these cars.
Look around... Most of the guys here that have built their cars did so second hand, especially the more expensive stuff like the Z06s.Finally, I have no reason to troll Mustang sites. I've met more GT500 owners than you have posts. Having driven numerous GT500s (through 2010), C6Z06s, and the like. I can say in my experience the GT500 simply cannot make good use of the power it already has. This is backed up the the countless 13 second quarters I've seen from these cars.
Likely the guys you saw at this event were just there to have some fun, not to be seriously drag racing and probably couldn't care less if some purpose built drag car can beat them in a strait line... Real cars turn anyways
11-16-2011, 08:39 PM
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The Corvette weekend was a week after Hot Rod weekend. Both were more than just car shows. Hot Rod weekend had blown Fords, big power Corvettes, and turbo imports everywhere looking to have some fun on the street. Too bad most showed with street tires and got pushed around by 12 second cars that worked.
I guess building a car that's capable of making good use of it's power at all times is now out of style. Silly me, I should have built a dyno sheet.
I guess building a car that's capable of making good use of it's power at all times is now out of style. Silly me, I should have built a dyno sheet.
11-17-2011, 10:26 AM
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The Corvette weekend was a week after Hot Rod weekend. Both were more than just car shows. Hot Rod weekend had blown Fords, big power Corvettes, and turbo imports everywhere looking to have some fun on the street. Too bad most showed with street tires and got pushed around by 12 second cars that worked.
I guess building a car that's capable of making good use of it's power at all times is now out of style. Silly me, I should have built a dyno sheet.
I guess building a car that's capable of making good use of it's power at all times is now out of style. Silly me, I should have built a dyno sheet.
11-17-2011, 12:24 PM
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From Jalopnik this morning
After Ford brought out its potentially ZL1-killing 650-horsepower 2013 Shelby GT500, Joel Ewanick, global vice president of GM marketing, decided to drop the gauntlet down at the feet of Ford. "We should take a Camaro, Ford brings a Mustang, we each pick our drivers, and see who has the best time on the Nürburgring," Ewanick said to Scott Burgess of the Detroit News. Jim Farley, who heads Ford's global marketing, wasn't taking the bait despite professed claims to a desire to "take a bat" to Chevrolet. "I wish we could," he said, after hearing about Ewanick's challenge. "Who wouldn't want to do that?" Huh. Sounds to us like maybe Ford's chicken. Hey, Farley — bawk-bawk-bawk-BA-****!
After Ford brought out its potentially ZL1-killing 650-horsepower 2013 Shelby GT500, Joel Ewanick, global vice president of GM marketing, decided to drop the gauntlet down at the feet of Ford. "We should take a Camaro, Ford brings a Mustang, we each pick our drivers, and see who has the best time on the Nürburgring," Ewanick said to Scott Burgess of the Detroit News. Jim Farley, who heads Ford's global marketing, wasn't taking the bait despite professed claims to a desire to "take a bat" to Chevrolet. "I wish we could," he said, after hearing about Ewanick's challenge. "Who wouldn't want to do that?" Huh. Sounds to us like maybe Ford's chicken. Hey, Farley — bawk-bawk-bawk-BA-****!
11-17-2011, 12:41 PM
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From Jalopnik this morning
After Ford brought out its potentially ZL1-killing 650-horsepower 2013 Shelby GT500, Joel Ewanick, global vice president of GM marketing, decided to drop the gauntlet down at the feet of Ford. "We should take a Camaro, Ford brings a Mustang, we each pick our drivers, and see who has the best time on the Nürburgring," Ewanick said to Scott Burgess of the Detroit News. Jim Farley, who heads Ford's global marketing, wasn't taking the bait despite professed claims to a desire to "take a bat" to Chevrolet. "I wish we could," he said, after hearing about Ewanick's challenge. "Who wouldn't want to do that?" Huh. Sounds to us like maybe Ford's chicken. Hey, Farley — bawk-bawk-bawk-BA-****!
After Ford brought out its potentially ZL1-killing 650-horsepower 2013 Shelby GT500, Joel Ewanick, global vice president of GM marketing, decided to drop the gauntlet down at the feet of Ford. "We should take a Camaro, Ford brings a Mustang, we each pick our drivers, and see who has the best time on the Nürburgring," Ewanick said to Scott Burgess of the Detroit News. Jim Farley, who heads Ford's global marketing, wasn't taking the bait despite professed claims to a desire to "take a bat" to Chevrolet. "I wish we could," he said, after hearing about Ewanick's challenge. "Who wouldn't want to do that?" Huh. Sounds to us like maybe Ford's chicken. Hey, Farley — bawk-bawk-bawk-BA-****!
11-17-2011, 04:03 PM
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Meh, you can have a 10-20sec difference in lap times on the 'Ring with close to equal drivers. Nobody can drive around that track and hit every corner 100% perfect, so I still say it's a pointless test. GM probably knows they have a better driver than Ford as I can't recall Ford ever doing testing on the track, while GM has been with a lot of their cars. Have there been any tests with the 2011-12 GT500 and ZL1? I still think the '11-'12 would take a ZL1 around a track with equal drivers.
11-17-2011, 04:30 PM
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I think their point is they know they have a better handling car because they spent so much time and work focusing on that. The 2013 GT500 is raw power and a huge number on paper, it could be a total mess on a track. A BOSS would be a better match but 444hp might not be enough to keep it up with the ZL1 arond the 'Ring.
11-17-2011, 04:57 PM
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The 2011 GT500 is a little faster than the Boss around shorter tracks, so I would guess that on a track like the 'Ring it would be much faster. Add 100hp plus everything else Ford is doing and that gap is only going to widen. They are not just straight line, big horsepower cars like a lot of people seem to think.
11-17-2011, 05:19 PM
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The Corvette weekend was a week after Hot Rod weekend. Both were more than just car shows. Hot Rod weekend had blown Fords, big power Corvettes, and turbo imports everywhere looking to have some fun on the street. Too bad most showed with street tires and got pushed around by 12 second cars that worked.
I guess building a car that's capable of making good use of it's power at all times is now out of style. Silly me, I should have built a dyno sheet.
I guess building a car that's capable of making good use of it's power at all times is now out of style. Silly me, I should have built a dyno sheet.
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11-17-2011, 06:39 PM
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I don't know how anyone can say this car isn't awesome. 650 hp from the factory. I tend to be a gm fan but ford has been doing a great job w/ the 5.0s, bosses and gt500s. But if they raise the price much, I think that is a problem. Even 50k is pushing it but doable for alot of people. If it goes to $60k, I think they lost most of the people that would really want this car. I thought 2008 and Obama was the end of decent cars. I guess I was wrong.
11-17-2011, 06:59 PM
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where GM messed up is doing their homework.
while a zl1 is a great car they shouldve been paying close attention to what ford was working on. there were rumors for awhile and GM reps shouldve been able to confirm or deny ford was going to have an answer.
i doubt GM was thinking one step ahead and going to be able to top this car.
i still think zl1s will be competitive but ford outdoing GM before a zl1 hits showrooms is somewhat embarrassing.
while a zl1 is a great car they shouldve been paying close attention to what ford was working on. there were rumors for awhile and GM reps shouldve been able to confirm or deny ford was going to have an answer.
i doubt GM was thinking one step ahead and going to be able to top this car.
i still think zl1s will be competitive but ford outdoing GM before a zl1 hits showrooms is somewhat embarrassing.
11-17-2011, 09:41 PM
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GM is banking on handling over power at this point. I think that's what they're pointing to with this letter and their R&D videos. No doubt GM is doing work on this car, but I doubt Ford is just slapping a larger HP engine in the GT500 and calling it a day. Time will tell though. Both cars are amazing, and if you have the coin for either I doubt you'd be disappointed in your decision.