Camaro Chief Engineer says "You're Welcome" to Ford Mustang fans
11-21-2011, 05:27 PM
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Doesn't anyone else think that this comparison is kinda like apples to oranges? One car with IRS, the other with a solid axle. About a 500 lb difference in weight. One is DOHC and the other is a pushrod motor, each has very different power bands. If these cars were any more different people probably wouldn't even be cross shopping between the two. As different as they are I'm surprised people even care that much to argue which is better overall (if that can even be determined).
11-22-2011, 02:21 AM
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Except this is the largest dohc modular motor and is topped with a 2.3 l.blower. Torque has a direct relationship with psi and the 2013 gt500 runs 15psi off the showrrom floor. If you ever drove one you would never say it was a motor that needs to rev. They make huge torque right off idle.
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11-23-2011, 11:54 AM
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Exactly, if reverse applied through the latter LT-1 and LS-1 years, his logic would come back to bite him in the backside. Ford just owned you GM, now own up to it and bite back. I expected more from them than this.
11-23-2011, 12:26 PM
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I'm really beginning to think that GM didn't believe Ford would leap frog the GT500 by such a large margin going from the '12 to the '13 model. I think this statement by the chief engineer was a knee-jerk defensive reaction, rather than something that was well thought-out beforehand.
11-23-2011, 12:42 PM
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Everyone knew the TVS and 5.8 were coming. Most expected 600-620 hp. I don't think people saw the rest of the changes coming, especially with a complete redesign looming.
I think most of us are in a holding pattern to see what the cost is going to be.
I think most of us are in a holding pattern to see what the cost is going to be.
11-23-2011, 12:58 PM
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I'm really beginning to think that GM didn't believe Ford would leap frog the GT500 by such a large margin going from the '12 to the '13 model. I think this statement by the chief engineer was a knee-jerk defensive reaction, rather than something that was well thought-out beforehand.
Base price has only gone up ~$7k since the 2007 GT500 came out, I doubt it's going to be much more than the 2012s are.
11-23-2011, 03:11 PM
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Yup, the last jump in power was 540 to 550, and the one before that was 500 to 540, so bumping it up another 100, and having a 45mph higher top speed, not to mention all the other changes, and the fact that the next gen Mustang is coming in a coupe-few years...I don't think anyone saw it coming.
Base price has only gone up ~$7k since the 2007 GT500 came out, I doubt it's going to be much more than the 2012s are.
Base price has only gone up ~$7k since the 2007 GT500 came out, I doubt it's going to be much more than the 2012s are.
11-23-2011, 06:53 PM
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11-23-2011, 07:56 PM
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11-24-2011, 09:46 AM
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Look at the changes from 2007 to 2011 for a $7k increase in price, not to mention the fact that its 4 years since then. Way more than the new 2013 from the old 2012. You guys are just looking for something to make the ZL1 sound better haha.
just a little haha.
11-24-2011, 10:29 AM
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The 5.0 was 7 seconds quicker than the S2000 type S around VIR.
Even the 2010 3v was 2 seconds quicker.
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11-24-2011, 02:56 PM
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Those are not reasons that the car would go up in price considerably. It's just a bigger version of the motor that has been in the car for the past six years. And a different blower doesn't necessarily mean more expensive. The '11 GT wasn't considerably more than the '10, and it received an ENTIRELY new engine and transmission.