Camaro Chief Engineer on the LSA ZL1 vs 2013 5.8L GT500
01-21-2012, 04:44 AM
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The best thing about this argument is that we can have it in the first place.
Just think about the stock performance figures of these cars, they are both remarkable vehicles and it`s nothing short of a miracle that we have cars with this type of performance. Everyone should keep defending and debating both cars, it fuels the fire of competition.
The stock performance numbers are mostly for bragging rights and that does sell cars, but we all know how long someone will keep a car stock if they are racing it on a regular basis.
I like both cars, but I`m a GM guy, so I will be buying the ZL1(I Wish). I`m sure there are a lot of Ford guys who will buy the GT500, because it`s a Ford and that brand association will probably factor into the majority of the sales figures.
We still have it good, never forget that!!
Just think about the stock performance figures of these cars, they are both remarkable vehicles and it`s nothing short of a miracle that we have cars with this type of performance. Everyone should keep defending and debating both cars, it fuels the fire of competition.
The stock performance numbers are mostly for bragging rights and that does sell cars, but we all know how long someone will keep a car stock if they are racing it on a regular basis.
I like both cars, but I`m a GM guy, so I will be buying the ZL1(I Wish). I`m sure there are a lot of Ford guys who will buy the GT500, because it`s a Ford and that brand association will probably factor into the majority of the sales figures.
We still have it good, never forget that!!
I think that both cars are just so full of win that it simply makes me smile like this: 
Certainly good times to be a car guy.
01-21-2012, 08:20 AM
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since when did we all become autocross warriors???? thats the only argument GM has been claiming, "the ZL1 is faster at the Nürburgring..." who gives a flyin flip if its faster at the Nürburgring, most people here are gonna drag race it, and to that point, it will get its *** dragged down the track by the GT500.
Now that I have been through all that, I see that Drag racing just breaks things.
OK if that's what you want but, handling is where it's at now.
ANyone can stuff a monster motor into a brick and make it fast down a straight.
It just takes a certain amount of motor.
Taking a vechicle and making it corner, accellerate, brake and handle better than anyone else is much more worthy of my dime and is more impressive from a performance / engineering standpoint.
PS. anyone can get an extra 60 HP out of that Camaro no problem once purchased.
01-21-2012, 10:48 AM
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70 more horses plus about 300 pounds lighter. Hell, the weight difference alone is why the LS1 Vette outruns the LS1 F-body.
If both cars get traction at the drag strip, this is seriously a no-brainer. The 'Ring time is what is up for debate. My guess is Ford can't match the ZL1's time, and that's why it hasn't released a time yet. With the technology in the ZL1, I don't doubt that it will be the better car for all-around performance. But to deny that the GT500 will hand the ZL1 its *** on the drag strip (assuming good traction) is a bit naive.
If both cars get traction at the drag strip, this is seriously a no-brainer. The 'Ring time is what is up for debate. My guess is Ford can't match the ZL1's time, and that's why it hasn't released a time yet. With the technology in the ZL1, I don't doubt that it will be the better car for all-around performance. But to deny that the GT500 will hand the ZL1 its *** on the drag strip (assuming good traction) is a bit naive.
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01-21-2012, 07:39 PM
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Wow, Big talk from GM hopefully they can back that up when the 2013 GT500 starts to get tested and tested against the ZL1.
Such a great time to live in, and a few years back people were saying the muscle car era would soon die.....doesn't look like it.
Such a great time to live in, and a few years back people were saying the muscle car era would soon die.....doesn't look like it.
01-21-2012, 07:44 PM
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look how many choices a buyer had back in the 60s. theres a lot less choices now. but theres enough.
01-21-2012, 08:04 PM
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01-21-2012, 08:21 PM
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He definitely sounds butt-hurt to me, there's no need in all of these speculations, simulations, claims, etc., etc., I just want to see what happens when these cars are available to the public, talk is cheap.
01-22-2012, 03:07 AM
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The rumor is Ford is having a problem making the new GT500 stick. It wants to wheel hop.
When I had a 69 Camaro 30 years ago Ford had the same problem then. Then again so did I. I don't now
When I had a 69 Camaro 30 years ago Ford had the same problem then. Then again so did I. I don't now
01-22-2012, 11:51 AM
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