ZL1 in big trouble? Q&A with SVT Chief Engineer today...
#62
On The Tree
Join Date: May 2007
Location: Richmond, VA
Posts: 119
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Let me clarify, I'm not saying every one will run 10s in the car. There will be a couple 10 second time slips stock, just like the C6 Z06. I think it will be dead even with a stock C6 Z in the 1/4 mile.
#63
Well, I don't know if I'd go so far as to say "worlds better"...some (not necessarily myself) might even argue that it's barely better at all.
An alcantara steering wheel cover and a Shaker 500 stereo alone don't automatically make an interior 500% better ya know. Those optional Recaro seats are nice though.
It is possible, but that's a big 'if', hoping that the car's new launch control will work some magic. And of course, let's not overlook the weight of the thing either.
An alcantara steering wheel cover and a Shaker 500 stereo alone don't automatically make an interior 500% better ya know. Those optional Recaro seats are nice though.
It is possible, but that's a big 'if', hoping that the car's new launch control will work some magic. And of course, let's not overlook the weight of the thing either.
#64
while it's not the worst.......the shaker 500 stereo isn't the best out there. in fact, as much as i hate to say this....the factory infinity stereo in my 97 dakota is noticeably better. but that's ok though, 'cause my mustang's crazy fast. that more than makes up for it.
#65
#67
#68
I agree.
I disagree.
The car is just too heavy (more specifically, nose heavy) and just too 'traction limited' to pull that off.
Launch control will help with the traction part (but not the weight) and even then it's going to be a 'give and take' situation. In order to give the tires traction it's going to have to cut (take) some power out and/or lightly apply some rear braking. Cutting the power is of course going to reduce the chances even more of getting a 4000-4100+ pound (with driver) manual transmissioned car into the 10s.
11.3x, maybe a high 11.2x at 125+mph is the 'magic number' for a pure bone stock 2013 GT500, in my opinion.
But yes, a 10.9x with only the addition of a drag radial or slick is still possible.
Then add in full bolt ons with weight reduction/skinnies and it might even go 9.9x with an internally stock motor too.
The car is just too heavy (more specifically, nose heavy) and just too 'traction limited' to pull that off.
Launch control will help with the traction part (but not the weight) and even then it's going to be a 'give and take' situation. In order to give the tires traction it's going to have to cut (take) some power out and/or lightly apply some rear braking. Cutting the power is of course going to reduce the chances even more of getting a 4000-4100+ pound (with driver) manual transmissioned car into the 10s.
11.3x, maybe a high 11.2x at 125+mph is the 'magic number' for a pure bone stock 2013 GT500, in my opinion.
But yes, a 10.9x with only the addition of a drag radial or slick is still possible.
Then add in full bolt ons with weight reduction/skinnies and it might even go 9.9x with an internally stock motor too.
#69
***Repost Police***
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: DFW, TX
Posts: 2,480
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
I agree.
I disagree.
The car is just too heavy (more specifically, nose heavy) and just too 'traction limited' to pull that off.
Launch control will help with the traction part (but not the weight) and even then it's going to be a 'give and take' situation. In order to give the tires traction it's going to have to cut (take) some power out and/or lightly apply some rear braking. Cutting the power is of course going to reduce the chances even more of getting a 4000-4100+ pound (with driver) manual transmissioned car into the 10s.
11.3x, maybe a high 11.2x at 125+mph is the 'magic number' for a pure bone stock 2013 GT500, in my opinion.
But yes, a 10.9x with only the addition of a drag radial or slick is still possible.
Then add in full bolt ons with weight reduction/skinnies and it might even go 9.9x with an internally stock motor too.
I disagree.
The car is just too heavy (more specifically, nose heavy) and just too 'traction limited' to pull that off.
Launch control will help with the traction part (but not the weight) and even then it's going to be a 'give and take' situation. In order to give the tires traction it's going to have to cut (take) some power out and/or lightly apply some rear braking. Cutting the power is of course going to reduce the chances even more of getting a 4000-4100+ pound (with driver) manual transmissioned car into the 10s.
11.3x, maybe a high 11.2x at 125+mph is the 'magic number' for a pure bone stock 2013 GT500, in my opinion.
But yes, a 10.9x with only the addition of a drag radial or slick is still possible.
Then add in full bolt ons with weight reduction/skinnies and it might even go 9.9x with an internally stock motor too.
#70
Skinnies alone can be worth up to a 2/10ths reduction in ET and well over a 1mph gain in trap speeds depending on which ones are being used.
But yes, with drag radials and skinnies, a 10.7x might also be possible from an otherwise bone stock 2013 GT500.
#71
I agree.
I disagree.
The car is just too heavy (more specifically, nose heavy) and just too 'traction limited' to pull that off.
Launch control will help with the traction part (but not the weight) and even then it's going to be a 'give and take' situation. In order to give the tires traction it's going to have to cut (take) some power out and/or lightly apply some rear braking. Cutting the power is of course going to reduce the chances even more of getting a 4000-4100+ pound (with driver) manual transmissioned car into the 10s.
11.3x, maybe a high 11.2x at 125+mph is the 'magic number' for a pure bone stock 2013 GT500, in my opinion.
But yes, a 10.9x with only the addition of a drag radial or slick is still possible.
Then add in full bolt ons with weight reduction/skinnies and it might even go 9.9x with an internally stock motor too.
I disagree.
The car is just too heavy (more specifically, nose heavy) and just too 'traction limited' to pull that off.
Launch control will help with the traction part (but not the weight) and even then it's going to be a 'give and take' situation. In order to give the tires traction it's going to have to cut (take) some power out and/or lightly apply some rear braking. Cutting the power is of course going to reduce the chances even more of getting a 4000-4100+ pound (with driver) manual transmissioned car into the 10s.
11.3x, maybe a high 11.2x at 125+mph is the 'magic number' for a pure bone stock 2013 GT500, in my opinion.
But yes, a 10.9x with only the addition of a drag radial or slick is still possible.
Then add in full bolt ons with weight reduction/skinnies and it might even go 9.9x with an internally stock motor too.
do you think the 2013's going to be that much heavier? i mean the engine was brought out to 5.8 by using that cylinder spraying procedure that ford has. that saved a few pounds. it's got a lighter driveshaft than the 012 supposedly. i don't think the supercharger's gonna add that much weight.
#72
And no 56/44 isn't horrible, but it's certainly not as favorable (for straight line traction) as 44/56 or even 50/50 is.
do you think the 2013's going to be that much heavier? i mean the engine was brought out to 5.8 by using that cylinder spraying procedure that ford has. that saved a few pounds. it's got a lighter driveshaft than the 012 supposedly. i don't think the supercharger's gonna add that much weight.
My guess is that the 2013 GT500 will weigh roughly 40-75 pounds more than a standard 2012 which is not bad at all considering that it will also have an extra 100hp (if everything goes as planned of course) to carry it around.
#73
This is how I think about it: a stock ZL1(that is hitting the show rooms soon) is doing the 1/4 mile in 12flat. The 10yr old 02+C5Z that can be bought for 20k will do 11.8-12.2 depending on the tire.
And on top of all that... 26+mpg hwy
And on top of all that... amazing handling
And on top of all that... still very beautiful looking(not outdated at all IMO, unlike the C4).
#74
I'd say that's comfortably in the 10's not a 10.97 or anything. Give it to Ranger and he'll do 10.7/8ish all day
#77
I wouldn't be shocked to see these cars running 10.70's with ONLY a set of slicks added. Otherwise, I'll almost have to call it "over-hyped" from the onset... Of course, I would only expect 11 ohs here and there, as most people simply do NOT know how to drag race! <~ average driver ... ~> the good ones.
#78
I guess I'm looking at it this way, the ZR1 makes 638 which is less but still close enough to 650hp. The ZR1 also weighs roughly 500 pounds less than the GT500.
100 pounds usually equals roughly one full tenth.
Two different ZR1s have now run in the 10.33 - 10.42 range on separate days with rear drag radials as the only modification.
The GT500's solid rear will likely give it the ability to be launched much harder which could help it 'out sixty foot' the ZR1 but it's extra weight also pulls some of that sixty foot back as well.
None of this is an exact science of course but the math so far does have the bone stock (with drag radials) 2013 GT500 in roughly the high 10.7 to low 10.9 range at over 126mph in good air with a great driver.
#79
TECH Fanatic
iTrader: (1)
Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: Fort Worth, TX
Posts: 1,894
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Pricing starts at $54,995. That's $900 more then the starting price of a ZL1 but lower then what most were expecting the 2013 to jump to.
http://jalopnik.com/5893536/2013-she...tarts-at-54995
http://jalopnik.com/5893536/2013-she...tarts-at-54995