C&D - 2012 Dodge Charger SRT8 392 HEMI Super Bee
04-18-2012, 04:50 PM
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04-18-2012, 05:29 PM
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Yeah and to think, there's a road in Florida call "The BEE LINE highway" which is essentially straight! There's also the same basic name for roads in both Alabama and Arizona... Florida also has "The Beeline Expressway" to the north of the highway... figure that out! 
Bees fly all over the place, as if they're lost. Then, they turn around and retrace the entire route to find their way back home!
04-19-2012, 06:38 AM
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ya know the ONLY cars that've tried playing with me in the gt so far?(and it's probably better, 'cause with only 1600 miles, i still don't wanna beat on it too much)
a MILF in an infinity.....didn't take much at all to play the stay out front game
a goofball in a turbo-diesel mercedes. took a little less than the infinity.
a goofball just the other night in a 05-09 bodystyle mustang. with a ******* SIX cylinder. i STILL don't know exactly what the hell he was trying to do. i was cruising at 80....as i was passing him, he accelerated just enough to not let me pass at that speed. after a few seconds, he pulled a couple cars up, and was going away, so i figured he just decided to go faster. next thing ya know, he's dropping back, and pacing me now. so i took it out of od, and ran her up to 110, was nearly a quarter mile in front, and went back to normal cruise mode.
here he comes, pulls up in back of me, and stays about 4 cars back for about 10 miles. then he flies by me. a couple miles up the road, i'm still doing my 80, but here i am catching him again. i went by him, while i was still only doing 80, as he lost speed going up a hill for the overpass.
i guess he felt good that he passed a v8 car.
a MILF in an infinity.....didn't take much at all to play the stay out front game
a goofball in a turbo-diesel mercedes. took a little less than the infinity.
a goofball just the other night in a 05-09 bodystyle mustang. with a ******* SIX cylinder. i STILL don't know exactly what the hell he was trying to do. i was cruising at 80....as i was passing him, he accelerated just enough to not let me pass at that speed. after a few seconds, he pulled a couple cars up, and was going away, so i figured he just decided to go faster. next thing ya know, he's dropping back, and pacing me now. so i took it out of od, and ran her up to 110, was nearly a quarter mile in front, and went back to normal cruise mode.
here he comes, pulls up in back of me, and stays about 4 cars back for about 10 miles. then he flies by me. a couple miles up the road, i'm still doing my 80, but here i am catching him again. i went by him, while i was still only doing 80, as he lost speed going up a hill for the overpass.
i guess he felt good that he passed a v8 car.
That's great! I've had two 4.6 3valve mustang gt's with various mods go down, 1 2011 5.0 that was a dead heat and 1 1998 Trans Am owned by a buddy of mine where we 'raced'. We were just messing around because neither of us could hook and we didn't want to chance a cop sitting on the street. All the cars just rev but don't do anything are everything from riced out civics to 80 somethings monte carlo with a v8 camming and exhaust with 20-something plus inch rims.
No 392 Dodge, no newer 5th gens, most mustang guys or vettes are to be found when I bring the SS out. Odd.....
04-19-2012, 07:37 AM
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My car with 100 less hp would keep up or win all else being equal i.e. tires. With 470hp, an f-body would stomp that car at EVERYTHING except interior or ride quality stuff. But, it's funny how you aren't comparing c.i.s here. Don't pick on our lonely old 346....it's still holding its own in that respect.
And the dual plug design has been around 20 years, yep 20 years ago Ford was doing it, actual Nissan was too a little before that I think. Its for emissions you dope. Not for power. Know what you're talking about before you rattle off.
And to add to that, to insinuate that a second burn on the "power" stroke is beneficial for power just shows you have a low working knowledge of how a combustion engine actually works. While modern day electronic ignitions may fire bursts of spark on the plug to create a more complete burn, to think that one completely different spark for a completely different plug from some other point in time then the standard ignition timing event would create magical previously unlocked hp is downright ridiculous. Remember, internal combustion engines have been in production 100+ years. This is just another engine, Dodge isn't creating miracles here.
And the dual plug design has been around 20 years, yep 20 years ago Ford was doing it, actual Nissan was too a little before that I think. Its for emissions you dope. Not for power. Know what you're talking about before you rattle off.
And to add to that, to insinuate that a second burn on the "power" stroke is beneficial for power just shows you have a low working knowledge of how a combustion engine actually works. While modern day electronic ignitions may fire bursts of spark on the plug to create a more complete burn, to think that one completely different spark for a completely different plug from some other point in time then the standard ignition timing event would create magical previously unlocked hp is downright ridiculous. Remember, internal combustion engines have been in production 100+ years. This is just another engine, Dodge isn't creating miracles here.
04-19-2012, 09:22 AM
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Obviously weights of the chassis I consider a fixed amount, i.e. stock. Meaning that big nice inflated hp number really doesn't directly translate into ETs. I was illustrating if these two cars theoretically lined up and one car had a sticky tire, the other would get the same. Win going the f-body with less hp all else being equal.
05-02-2012, 03:54 PM
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As a guy with 3 kids...unable to justify a two door without feeling guilty...and unable to afford 3 cars...it's appealing. I wish it was 4k and under in weight.
Nowdays I have an 06 Charger R/T 5.7 , 36k miles on it, no options, currently and for a family sedan with an eye towards decent performance it meets our needs. I wish I had more options from Chevrolet or Ford, for that matter, as far as rwd sedans. This replaced my less streetable drag truck and I don't feel so bad about it now. Best I can muster with a diablo tune, DR's, and an open diff is 2.1 60ft. 13.86 at 1100ft. Eh...it's still nice.
The price for that "Super Bee" is still too high imo. It should at least be available for under 40k, keeping LSD and why no aluminum block yet? These things need to lose weight and losing weight off the nose would be even better for those of us who drag race. Maybe they'll shrink the platform, go to that 8sp auto for less rpm drop between shifts, and get that aluminum block in there.
And...why do I only have one post showing? lol Member since 04 but haven't gotten on in a LONG time.
Thought I heard Chevy was going to put out rwd sedan? Is that a go?
Nowdays I have an 06 Charger R/T 5.7 , 36k miles on it, no options, currently and for a family sedan with an eye towards decent performance it meets our needs. I wish I had more options from Chevrolet or Ford, for that matter, as far as rwd sedans. This replaced my less streetable drag truck and I don't feel so bad about it now. Best I can muster with a diablo tune, DR's, and an open diff is 2.1 60ft. 13.86 at 1100ft. Eh...it's still nice.
The price for that "Super Bee" is still too high imo. It should at least be available for under 40k, keeping LSD and why no aluminum block yet? These things need to lose weight and losing weight off the nose would be even better for those of us who drag race. Maybe they'll shrink the platform, go to that 8sp auto for less rpm drop between shifts, and get that aluminum block in there.
And...why do I only have one post showing? lol Member since 04 but haven't gotten on in a LONG time.
Thought I heard Chevy was going to put out rwd sedan? Is that a go?
05-04-2012, 02:06 PM
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this "LS1 vs. everything else" debate will never end. Until the ATS-V comes out next year and sets the new benchmark for GM performance sedans that is 
420+HP/TQ through a 6speed auto/manual and a ~3600lb. curb weight. With all the safety and technology you could ever want to boot. Yes, I know the Vette will always be the king but that's in a different category. Apples to apples would be Viper vs. Vette.. since we're talking 4 doors here, the ATS-V is going to destroy anything in its path from Mopar and Ford. The alpha platform is going to dishout GM ***-kickings all over the place just like the good old days of the 98-02 LS1s
420+HP/TQ through a 6speed auto/manual and a ~3600lb. curb weight. With all the safety and technology you could ever want to boot. Yes, I know the Vette will always be the king but that's in a different category. Apples to apples would be Viper vs. Vette.. since we're talking 4 doors here, the ATS-V is going to destroy anything in its path from Mopar and Ford. The alpha platform is going to dishout GM ***-kickings all over the place just like the good old days of the 98-02 LS1s
05-18-2012, 10:27 PM
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420+HP/TQ through a 6speed auto/manual and a ~3600lb. curb weight. With all the safety and technology you could ever want to boot. Yes, I know the Vette will always be the king but that's in a different category. Apples to apples would be Viper vs. Vette.. since we're talking 4 doors here, the ATS-V is going to destroy anything in its path from Mopar and Ford. The alpha platform is going to dishout GM ***-kickings all over the place just like the good old days of the 98-02 LS1s
If GM offers the twin turbo V6, it will be great for the buyer. Personally, I'd need a whole bunch more reason to choose the ATS over the CTS.
06-03-2012, 02:24 PM
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I'm not comparing cubic inches because it's not worth mentioning. The HEMI has the LS1 outgunned. A bolt-on LS1 would not be competitive and you would have to do a thorough Heads/Cam to an LS1 to eclipse the performance margin of the 6.4 litre HEMI. Even then, a punched out LS1 would not hit the 6.4 litre mark.
The HEMI has it matched on displacement, total HP and Torque, HP and Torque under the curve, engine architecture and design, and flow figures.
The heads flow 270 CFM at .600 inches of lift. By comparison, stock LS1 heads flowed 230 CFM at .600 and LS6 heads flowed 257 CFM at .600
It just makes power and a lot of it. The fact that it's stuck in a 4200+ lbs Charger will not be the magical equalizer.
The HEMI has it matched on displacement, total HP and Torque, HP and Torque under the curve, engine architecture and design, and flow figures.
The heads flow 270 CFM at .600 inches of lift. By comparison, stock LS1 heads flowed 230 CFM at .600 and LS6 heads flowed 257 CFM at .600
It just makes power and a lot of it. The fact that it's stuck in a 4200+ lbs Charger will not be the magical equalizer.
06-04-2012, 10:20 AM
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I like that a lot. Can't afford a new one. Wish it had a manual tranny option. Wish it was available with 18" wheels. Other than that, Winner!! I'd totally make that a daily driver with a decent exhaust and maybe a shift kit if they make one and a more performance oriented torque convertor.
06-28-2012, 04:33 PM
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Great looking cars in person. I tried racing one on the highway after work yesterday not having a clue what they run. I'm a Chevy guy but i'm happy to see Dodge make some performers because i'm sick of racing Mustang GT's.
To clarify the two plugs per cylinder issue. This has been done at least since the 1930's on Radial and all Reciprocating engines. Cessna is not an engine manufacture so they haven't been doing it for years lol. They do however have Lycoming and Continental Horizontally Opposed engines that all have them. They also have two Magnetos that provide the spark which is a self contained system which creates its own circuit not needing an alternator. In aviation they use dual plugs for redundancy so in case one magneto happens to fail in flight, the other will continue to operate the engine sufficiently until it lands. It does however also provide a power increase. When performing a ground run you do a magneto check. You shut off one magneto around 1200-1500 rpms and look for a slight RPM drop. Typically an engine will drop anywhere from 50-150 rpms before slightly rising back up. That is whats accecptable
Who has an article about how Hemi utilizes the dual spark plugs? Someone mentioned that they fire one at TDC and one after TDC. That means the timing is COMPLETELY retarded lol. I could see one firing at 25 degrees BTDC and one 5-10 degrees BTDC.
To clarify the two plugs per cylinder issue. This has been done at least since the 1930's on Radial and all Reciprocating engines. Cessna is not an engine manufacture so they haven't been doing it for years lol. They do however have Lycoming and Continental Horizontally Opposed engines that all have them. They also have two Magnetos that provide the spark which is a self contained system which creates its own circuit not needing an alternator. In aviation they use dual plugs for redundancy so in case one magneto happens to fail in flight, the other will continue to operate the engine sufficiently until it lands. It does however also provide a power increase. When performing a ground run you do a magneto check. You shut off one magneto around 1200-1500 rpms and look for a slight RPM drop. Typically an engine will drop anywhere from 50-150 rpms before slightly rising back up. That is whats accecptable
Who has an article about how Hemi utilizes the dual spark plugs? Someone mentioned that they fire one at TDC and one after TDC. That means the timing is COMPLETELY retarded lol. I could see one firing at 25 degrees BTDC and one 5-10 degrees BTDC.
