Official 2013 GT500 662hp Ford Press Release
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Base vs Base, the GT500 is actually cheaper to purchase within the USA because, since it gets 5mpg more hwy miles, it doesn't get slammed with the gas guzzler tax, which is 1,300. Either may have a markup, but that's beside the point.
I'd have to agree.
And which is pretty much what I'd been predicting (I've been saying 11.2/11.3ish) all along, although I'd never expected to see it pull a 129mph
trap speed on stock tires (if that's in fact true).
That car frightens me LOL.
And yes, it will go high 10s in decent air with just a rear tire swap.
And which is pretty much what I'd been predicting (I've been saying 11.2/11.3ish) all along, although I'd never expected to see it pull a 129mph
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That car frightens me LOL.
And yes, it will go high 10s in decent air with just a rear tire swap.
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No, no it shouldn't. I don't need a big speaker system, navigation, heated seats, back up camera, etc in my 662 hp car. I'd rather have the option to make it the way I want. You want it check the box.
I realize you said performance options but it still applies. A drag car isn't likely to need all the additional coolers or maybe I already plan on putting new suspension or wheels on? Why pay a ridiculous amount for what I don't want is my question to you. Options make everyone happy.
I realize you said performance options but it still applies. A drag car isn't likely to need all the additional coolers or maybe I already plan on putting new suspension or wheels on? Why pay a ridiculous amount for what I don't want is my question to you. Options make everyone happy.
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Even though most U.S. cars will never see the "ring" why do people like you think that its a bs way of testing cars? It's a complex track that has been a high water mark for years because no other track compares to it. Maybe if they tested it on a track state side that the cars would run on it would hold up better to people like yourself or do you feel like showing the cars ability on a road course is pointless all together? Just to clarify I'm not trying to start a bash fest just trying to better understand your views.
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Even though most U.S. cars will never see the "ring" why do people like you think that its a bs way of testing cars? It's a complex track that has been a high water mark for years because no other track compares to it. Maybe if they tested it on a track state side that the cars would run on it would hold up better to people like yourself or do you feel like showing the cars ability on a road course is pointless all together? Just to clarify I'm not trying to start a bash fest just trying to better understand your views.
Its a very difficult track... and has killed allot of people... IMO its the benchmark of roadcourses...
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Can someone please re-size that RIDICULOUSLY OVERSIZED dyno graph??? The car is powerful and makes MAD torque to boot... We get it. We'd also get it in half that size...
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Taking a car to the ring is fine, but for the millions of American automotive fans, it really doesn't amount to much. I'd prefer they take it to any number of tracks it may actually be raced on by the majority of buyers who race. Surely someone will give it some laps at VIR or Road Atlanta(which is also apparently quite dangerous) or Laguna Seca or Inde, or Sebring... Don't really care where, but in America, where the comparison may just play out between several cars we drive all at once in the same race.
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Taking a car to the ring is fine, but for the millions of American automotive fans, it really doesn't amount to much. I'd prefer they take it to any number of tracks it may actually be raced on by the majority of buyers who race. Surely someone will give it some laps at VIR or Road Atlanta(which is also apparently quite dangerous) or Laguna Seca or Inde, or Sebring... Don't really care where, but in America, where the comparison may just play out between several cars we drive all at once in the same race.
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Even though most U.S. cars will never see the "ring" why do people like you think that its a bs way of testing cars? It's a complex track that has been a high water mark for years because no other track compares to it. Maybe if they tested it on a track state side that the cars would run on it would hold up better to people like yourself or do you feel like showing the cars ability on a road course is pointless all together? Just to clarify I'm not trying to start a bash fest just trying to better understand your views.
considering that most likely, both of these cars main market will be in the usa, i have to agree with him.
ford would be better spending their time running VIR, to match/beat the zl there. or laguna seca. or any other usa road course. those are tracks that the target market can/will understand, and respect.
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So because we Americans will never drive on it with our cars it's not a track worthy to show a cars true performance? I think that because it is so hard and no other track comes close to it that it's the best way to show what a car can do because if they were to test on a track here people would still complain because they feel track A isn't as good as track B and so on so why not accept the industry standard which is the ring?
Now as far as the person who said because it killed to many people that's why it shouldn't be used if that where the case then SPEED it self kills more on the regular road then all tracks combined so we might as well govern the cars to 35mph.
Now as far as the person who said because it killed to many people that's why it shouldn't be used if that where the case then SPEED it self kills more on the regular road then all tracks combined so we might as well govern the cars to 35mph.
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Of course the times aren't exactly comparable if the cars are driven by different drivers on different days, but that track is the only track in the world that is able to show so many aspects of a car's performance, not just in the times but in driver impressions. Laguna Seca is a fantastic track, but it's simply not as challenging and revealing of bad habits in suspension/braking.
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Even though most U.S. cars will never see the "ring" why do people like you think that its a bs way of testing cars? It's a complex track that has been a high water mark for years because no other track compares to it. Maybe if they tested it on a track state side that the cars would run on it would hold up better to people like yourself or do you feel like showing the cars ability on a road course is pointless all together? Just to clarify I'm not trying to start a bash fest just trying to better understand your views.
Speed has never killed anyone, it's the sudden stopping that will get you!
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So because we Americans will never drive on it with our cars it's not a track worthy to show a cars true performance? I think that because it is so hard and no other track comes close to it that it's the best way to show what a car can do because if they were to test on a track here people would still complain because they feel track A isn't as good as track B and so on so why not accept the industry standard which is the ring?
The ring is generally considered the longest track in the world, but whether or not it's the most difficult is very debatable. A shorter track may be more technical. On the other hand, a driver must remember several things to run well on the ring and so, maybe it is the most technical if for no other reason, because it's such an unbelievably long course.
Now as far as the person who said because it killed to many people that's why it shouldn't be used if that where the case then SPEED it self kills more on the regular road then all tracks combined so we might as well govern the cars to 35mph.
You can like the ring all you want. I think it's a great testing grounds... for cars in Germany. I see no point in dragging a brand new American vehicle to the ring because there are several tracks in America to choose from, any of which can be used to make the same point.
Besides, I can hardly see why or how a well driven, properly running 2013 GT500 wouldn't beat the ZL1 there and I don't wanna hear that it will... Fact is, that track has enough straitaway that the GT500 will indeed be able to stretch it's legs, so to speak. Once it gets on an open stretch, any lead it has over the ZL1 will only expand that much more. I don't really think there are enough really technical areas to give the ZL1 any serious advantage on that track because nearly any car will be able to reach... terminal velocity... and the one which reaches the highest speed the quickest is likely to be a real contender unless it has wretched handling, which the GT500 does not have.
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So because we Americans will never drive on it with our cars it's not a track worthy to show a cars true performance? I think that because it is so hard and no other track comes close to it that it's the best way to show what a car can do because if they were to test on a track here people would still complain because they feel track A isn't as good as track B and so on so why not accept the industry standard which is the ring?
Now as far as the person who said because it killed to many people that's why it shouldn't be used if that where the case then SPEED it self kills more on the regular road then all tracks combined so we might as well govern the cars to 35mph.
Now as far as the person who said because it killed to many people that's why it shouldn't be used if that where the case then SPEED it self kills more on the regular road then all tracks combined so we might as well govern the cars to 35mph.
oh yea....speed in itself is generally not the cause of collisions, but rather the drivers(or their cars) inability to handle the current situation. i see more low speed collisions than anything.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jr3SwDviPQ0
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Ring times are by far the WORST way to compare cars. To get a good comparison between two cars you need the same driver on the same day in the same conditions, not different drivers/days/conditions on a 12+ mile track! Not to mention the fact that they aren't using factory stock vehicles to run around that track.
Speed has never killed anyone, it's the sudden stopping that will get you!
Speed has never killed anyone, it's the sudden stopping that will get you!
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Wow it seems some of you may have been offended by my post just trying to figure out why people complain about THAT track and if it was solely based on the track location or the layout itself.
I do believe most "high dollar" sports cars are compared on the ring and even the cars that aren't considered high dollar in comparasion are also, think about when was the last time everyone asked what time did it do at Sebring,vir, or others they don't because the manufactures choose to go the so why can't we just accept it because you guys would never agree on one track here in the states or should they just test them on all the bigs one to satisfy the masses?
Now for you smart a$$ posters with your speed doesn't kill everything else involved does come on man you know what I meant but you had to get your jabs anyways....Fuggerz lol
I do believe most "high dollar" sports cars are compared on the ring and even the cars that aren't considered high dollar in comparasion are also, think about when was the last time everyone asked what time did it do at Sebring,vir, or others they don't because the manufactures choose to go the so why can't we just accept it because you guys would never agree on one track here in the states or should they just test them on all the bigs one to satisfy the masses?
Now for you smart a$$ posters with your speed doesn't kill everything else involved does come on man you know what I meant but you had to get your jabs anyways....Fuggerz lol
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You can like the ring all you want. I think it's a great testing grounds... for cars in Germany. I see no point in dragging a brand new American vehicle to the ring because there are several tracks in America to choose from, any of which can be used to make the same point.
The beauty about the track is cars that are fast around it are generally fast at ever other track, and drive really well, were as you could be fast at other tracks yet drive much worse and be horrible on the 'ring (by being overly stiff for example).
Besides, I can hardly see why or how a well driven, properly running 2013 GT500 wouldn't beat the ZL1 there and I don't wanna hear that it will... Fact is, that track has enough straitaway that the GT500 will indeed be able to stretch it's legs, so to speak.
look how bumpy this track is:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sxwRgSZiKTk
Think about how much more tweeking you need to do to be stable there yet still handle well vs on a smooth track, then throw in the solid axle...
(now don't get confused, this is not to say a solid axle car cannot handle, because that is simply untrue, but on a track like this it will be much more difficult than an [all else equal] IRS car.)