Official 2013 GT500 662hp Ford Press Release
05-25-2012, 04:00 PM
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11.7 @ 129 is the best mph I have heard.
05-25-2012, 04:09 PM
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With good conditions,slicks and a good driver it should run 10.40's maybe better, 700hp has a easy way of overcoming it's weight.
05-25-2012, 04:16 PM
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THEY take their cars? Okay... Who is "they" anyway? The fastest ROAD LEGAL car known to cover the ring is the Viper ACR and it doesn't seem that Dodge took it. 6 of the top 10 fastest laps known to be posted were done by cars NOT even road legal at all. It's a RACE track, not a test track.
You're talking as if it is simply commonplace for all manufacturers to take their cars to the ring, but that's not even close to the reality.
Lexus took one, the "ring" version, which had a roll cage, and it held the record anyway, for almost 2 weeks till the Viper bit...
Most of the cars run on the ring are from the area... Makes sense, eh? I asked before, how many times had you heard of any pony car having been taken there prior to the last few years?
How often previous to the last 3yrs can you recall any American car having been there? If it is as you're saying, I'm sure we'll see a very long list.
Ford had development time with the Mustang and looks what happened, best handling mustang ever.
As for "best handling" cars going there, I don't think the Scion FR-S has been there, but we're all hearing about how wonderfully that thing handles...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3SYJjE7Xrf4
Haven't heard much about any MX-5 being shown off on the ring...
http://www.lotustalk.com/forums/f68/...da-miata-3615/
It sure does handle well, however. The Ford Focus handles great, but who took it to the ring? The only ones we may ever hear of from the Focus camp will say "RS" "ST" or "FR" somewhere on 'em and most of those aren't built or sold in America(yet, anyway).
My biggest point is simply that most American production cars aren't tested on the ring and those few cars being taken there as of late are taken for only 2 reasons... attention and bragging rights.
MANY American cars are tested on the 'ring and not even talked about, so hows that for bragging rights? They do it to develop a better car that they CAN'T do on other race tracks, period.
The silly lap times are for bragging rights, but that is what it is. The development and testing that pretty much all manufactures do there is for a better all around car.
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05-25-2012, 04:47 PM
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I honestly think 10.4's are a bridge too far just due to power to weight. This car is more in a C6 Z06's range as far as straight line performance is concerned. I think 10.7's are a possibility.
05-25-2012, 05:54 PM
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I'd almost put money on it hitting 10.7s (high 10.6s?) and even 131mph though if the clutch holds and all of the basic elements (driver/track/air) come together at once.
With full bolt ons, tuning and weight reduction these cars will very likely hit single digits on stock engine internals and with a stock blower.
05-25-2012, 06:05 PM
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Ok allow me to clarify this a (10.40) time was meant as a perfect run best conditons fastest of the fastest type of run not an average time with slicks sorry if my post was misleading.
05-25-2012, 06:16 PM
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I've heard that rumor months ago. Ford would have released the GT500's time along time ago if it did beat out the ZL1's 7:41. I don't think Ford's Trinity engine can out gun GM's magnetic ride control on track.
05-25-2012, 07:08 PM
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I suppose it could be possible but it sure wouldn't be easy. If a 3350 pound, 638hp C6 ZR1 can run 10.2s on a drag radial then perhaps a 3850+ pound, 662+hp Mustang GT500 with the extra advantages afforded by having a solid rear axle could bust out a 10.4x?
05-25-2012, 08:00 PM
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maybe... LOL
05-25-2012, 09:03 PM
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I've heard that rumor months ago. Ford would have released the GT500's time along time ago if it did beat out the ZL1's 7:41. I don't think Ford's Trinity engine can out gun GM's magnetic ride control on track.
I don't remember where I read it, but someone way up high on the FoMoCo ladder apparently exclaimed to the world that the '13 GT500 has proven better in tests than the GT did and the GT apparently ran 7:40.6, a hair better than the ZL1.
10.40 with nothing but slicks? Even in the best conditions, that's pushing it. Sure, the mph is there, but getting the beast to launch will prove tricky, even with the apparently excellent system already aboard. I'd almost go w/ 10.50's though. .40's would stun me.
05-26-2012, 02:36 PM
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Of those cars being "shown off" there, most aren't taken or driven by the manufacturers in the same condition as they will be sold.
05-26-2012, 02:55 PM
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have any of you read evan smiths write up on driving this thing yet?
if what he says is even close to true, all the shelby need to be, is mediocre in the turns, because it's gonna *** rape the blacktop on the straight runs, most likely hitting a much higher top speed than the zl1. if it manages this, it will be faster. i suspect it may well be much faster than anyone expects.
if what he says is even close to true, all the shelby need to be, is mediocre in the turns, because it's gonna *** rape the blacktop on the straight runs, most likely hitting a much higher top speed than the zl1. if it manages this, it will be faster. i suspect it may well be much faster than anyone expects.
05-27-2012, 08:33 AM
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Correct, and the ZR1 touched 134 mph at private rental shortly after its debut in 2009. That's the point I was getting at.
05-28-2012, 02:21 PM
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From what we're seeing thus far, there's basically no chance.
The bottom line is simply that the Corvette MUST be Chevy's(GM'S even) top performer. There are limits to the power and torque any car can reach and still perform in an all around sense. The ZO6 is a fine representation and while the ZR1 will beat it, not by much unless we're talking about a straight line only.
The Camaro isn't ever likely to weigh less than Corvette again. It isn't ever going to get higher HP than available in Corvette(unless GM unpredictably drops Corvette from their lineup) and there's no reason for GM to take the ZR1 to, say, 700hp. All it would do is hinder performance by making the car that much more difficult to control. Convincingly beating a car like the GT500 with a factory stock Camaro will require at least the ZL1 and in that trim, we're abundantly certain a straight line is positively NOT where anyone in a ZL1 is going to want to race this GT500. On a road course, probably there's a chance. Many things come in to play though, like number and degree of turns, how many rises and falls there are and how steep. There's so many technical aspects, it's hardly worth trying to cover. The only way I'd believe 1 dominantly superior to the other on track is to see stock vs stock, one constantly beating the others.
The ZL1 is pretty much what we expected it to be(most of us anyway) and from what little we've seen of the GT500, it's going to wreak havoc on the scene.
The bottom line is simply that the Corvette MUST be Chevy's(GM'S even) top performer. There are limits to the power and torque any car can reach and still perform in an all around sense. The ZO6 is a fine representation and while the ZR1 will beat it, not by much unless we're talking about a straight line only.
The Camaro isn't ever likely to weigh less than Corvette again. It isn't ever going to get higher HP than available in Corvette(unless GM unpredictably drops Corvette from their lineup) and there's no reason for GM to take the ZR1 to, say, 700hp. All it would do is hinder performance by making the car that much more difficult to control. Convincingly beating a car like the GT500 with a factory stock Camaro will require at least the ZL1 and in that trim, we're abundantly certain a straight line is positively NOT where anyone in a ZL1 is going to want to race this GT500. On a road course, probably there's a chance. Many things come in to play though, like number and degree of turns, how many rises and falls there are and how steep. There's so many technical aspects, it's hardly worth trying to cover. The only way I'd believe 1 dominantly superior to the other on track is to see stock vs stock, one constantly beating the others.
The ZL1 is pretty much what we expected it to be(most of us anyway) and from what little we've seen of the GT500, it's going to wreak havoc on the scene.
05-28-2012, 10:41 PM
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I really like both cars. But I hate to bust everyones bubble but 99% of camaro and mustang owners dont care about which one runs a couple of tenths faster in the quarter. For example mustang gt had less power than the camaro a lot of times they outsold the camaro. I know people that bought 09 and 10 gt s when the camaro had over a hundred more horsepower because they said 300 was enough. What Im getting at is ford did a great job on the GT500 and I dont know why people cant say that without a big argument about how crappy the ZL1 is. I promise you each car will sell all they make. And the majority of buyers will probably buy the one that the newest and the catchiest rather than a couple of tenths faster in the quarter.
