Official 2013 GT500 662hp Ford Press Release
05-05-2012, 11:25 AM
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i actually thought the 80s camaros were built here. i thought it was the 4th gen that were the first built outside of the country.
and i know that there were slower ones before the fox bodies......as there were slower camaros too. even a point when there was no camaro, whilst the mustang sold like hotcakes. in fact, if i recall from reading, the initial release of the camaro was a flop, compared to the initial release of the mustang.
05-05-2012, 02:56 PM
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05-05-2012, 03:45 PM
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the original camaros are my 3rd favorite car. 1st is the charger. 2nd is the mustang, followed by the camaro. the original camaro is however my favorite chevy of the 60's, and in my humble opinion, the absolute best looking camaro ever built. a close second is the current camaro.
05-05-2012, 04:05 PM
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My history is off. There was a plant in St. Therese for quite some time, but only 4th gen f-bodies were assembled there.
Should do proper research before I open my mouth. Either way, the american built arguement is a fairly mute point, but to each their own. In most ways, Honda Civics, and Toyota Tundras are every bit as American as their competitors, and in some ways, even more.
Back on topic, I praised Ford for building this car, and so far, it's living up to its own hype - let's see what it can do in "stock" form, that means tires, tune, etc. The mags aren't going to be buying DRs for these things (except the more dedicated ones like Fast Fords). While I believe with aftermarket tires, it will be a monster, in stock form, the tire choice will hurt this car.
We all win with the big 3 pushing each other to make better products.
Should do proper research before I open my mouth. Either way, the american built arguement is a fairly mute point, but to each their own. In most ways, Honda Civics, and Toyota Tundras are every bit as American as their competitors, and in some ways, even more.
Back on topic, I praised Ford for building this car, and so far, it's living up to its own hype - let's see what it can do in "stock" form, that means tires, tune, etc. The mags aren't going to be buying DRs for these things (except the more dedicated ones like Fast Fords). While I believe with aftermarket tires, it will be a monster, in stock form, the tire choice will hurt this car.
We all win with the big 3 pushing each other to make better products.
05-05-2012, 04:16 PM
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My history is off. There was a plant in St. Therese for quite some time, but only 4th gen f-bodies were assembled there.
Should do proper research before I open my mouth. Either way, the american built arguement is a fairly mute point, but to each their own. In most ways, Honda Civics, and Toyota Tundras are every bit as American as their competitors, and in some ways, even more.
Back on topic, I praised Ford for building this car, and so far, it's living up to its own hype - let's see what it can do in "stock" form, that means tires, tune, etc. The mags aren't going to be buying DRs for these things (except the more dedicated ones like Fast Fords). While I believe with aftermarket tires, it will be a monster, in stock form, the tire choice will hurt this car.
We all win with the big 3 pushing each other to make better products.
Should do proper research before I open my mouth. Either way, the american built arguement is a fairly mute point, but to each their own. In most ways, Honda Civics, and Toyota Tundras are every bit as American as their competitors, and in some ways, even more.
Back on topic, I praised Ford for building this car, and so far, it's living up to its own hype - let's see what it can do in "stock" form, that means tires, tune, etc. The mags aren't going to be buying DRs for these things (except the more dedicated ones like Fast Fords). While I believe with aftermarket tires, it will be a monster, in stock form, the tire choice will hurt this car.
We all win with the big 3 pushing each other to make better products.
i'd have no problem owning a honda, or toyota. i know that most of those are built here now.
i'd like to see what it really does in bone stock trim......meaning no creative wording, like some people on here do..........
05-05-2012, 06:48 PM
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05-07-2012, 07:39 AM
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now with that said. id take an LSA over anything out there. period.
05-07-2012, 07:42 AM
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05-07-2012, 02:44 PM
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Let me clarify my Mod motor comment a little more.
When Ford elected to move to and OHC multi valve setup, they had an opportunity to hit a real homerun. In my opinion they made a few compromises that limited the potential of the engines. They have since mostly overcome them, but I think they could have done better initially. They package protected the engines for FWD applications. Therefore you had to have a narrow bore spacing to get the engine to fit between the shock towers. That is why the 5.4's are so undersquare. They were severely limited on the bore side. Think what the Mod motor "could" have been if it's architecture could have been a little different. Imagine a 4in bore, 8000rpm capable, 5.4-5.8 , factory produced engine. I am not saying they are bad. they just missed the boat on being otherworldly.
05-07-2012, 03:00 PM
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Initial ZR1 prototype was twin turbo. It burned down.
Let me clarify my Mod motor comment a little more.
When Ford elected to move to and OHC multi valve setup, they had an opportunity to hit a real homerun. In my opinion they made a few compromises that limited the potential of the engines. They have since mostly overcome them, but I think they could have done better initially. They package protected the engines for FWD applications. Therefore you had to have a narrow bore spacing to get the engine to fit between the shock towers. That is why the 5.4's are so undersquare. They were severely limited on the bore side. Think what the Mod motor "could" have been if it's architecture could have been a little different. Imagine a 4in bore, 8000rpm capable, 5.4-5.8 , factory produced engine. I am not saying they are bad. they just missed the boat on being otherworldly.
Let me clarify my Mod motor comment a little more.
When Ford elected to move to and OHC multi valve setup, they had an opportunity to hit a real homerun. In my opinion they made a few compromises that limited the potential of the engines. They have since mostly overcome them, but I think they could have done better initially. They package protected the engines for FWD applications. Therefore you had to have a narrow bore spacing to get the engine to fit between the shock towers. That is why the 5.4's are so undersquare. They were severely limited on the bore side. Think what the Mod motor "could" have been if it's architecture could have been a little different. Imagine a 4in bore, 8000rpm capable, 5.4-5.8 , factory produced engine. I am not saying they are bad. they just missed the boat on being otherworldly.
05-07-2012, 03:18 PM
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Initial ZR1 prototype was twin turbo. It burned down.
Let me clarify my Mod motor comment a little more.
When Ford elected to move to and OHC multi valve setup, they had an opportunity to hit a real homerun. In my opinion they made a few compromises that limited the potential of the engines. They have since mostly overcome them, but I think they could have done better initially. They package protected the engines for FWD applications. Therefore you had to have a narrow bore spacing to get the engine to fit between the shock towers. That is why the 5.4's are so undersquare. They were severely limited on the bore side. Think what the Mod motor "could" have been if it's architecture could have been a little different. Imagine a 4in bore, 8000rpm capable, 5.4-5.8 , factory produced engine. I am not saying they are bad. they just missed the boat on being otherworldly.
Let me clarify my Mod motor comment a little more.
When Ford elected to move to and OHC multi valve setup, they had an opportunity to hit a real homerun. In my opinion they made a few compromises that limited the potential of the engines. They have since mostly overcome them, but I think they could have done better initially. They package protected the engines for FWD applications. Therefore you had to have a narrow bore spacing to get the engine to fit between the shock towers. That is why the 5.4's are so undersquare. They were severely limited on the bore side. Think what the Mod motor "could" have been if it's architecture could have been a little different. Imagine a 4in bore, 8000rpm capable, 5.4-5.8 , factory produced engine. I am not saying they are bad. they just missed the boat on being otherworldly.
Probably Fords biggest failure with the modular in my eyes was its low HP value right out of the gate. Had they 96 GT's had a 260-275hp 4.6 instead of 215 most people would have been pretty happy. Though I still ask the small bore questions myself, why not go with a 3.7 inch bore out of the gate how much could that have really added to the engine width. It would have done a world of wonders not so much because of the displacement gains but because the heads would all breath so much better with unshrouded valves.
Either way no matter what the mods became they would never be the super popular with the pure racing guys as changing mutiple cams will always be more of a pain in the *** than changing one.
05-07-2012, 03:33 PM
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Here is some spy video of the 2013 GT500 testing in the rain at the 'ring.
http://www.motorauthority.com/news/1...ideo?fbfanpage
http://www.motorauthority.com/news/1...ideo?fbfanpage