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Old 05-22-2012, 10:07 PM
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now see? you didn't feel like the thing was falling apart? my girlfriends 89 gt convertible was a rattle trap.
seriously....as much as i love my mustangs, the ragtops were crap in my opinion.
My friend's was bought new, always had low miles on it and he did have subframe connectors and a strut tower brace which certainly helped.
His lowering springs didn't help much though LOL.
His was white (light grey lower half) with a white top/white interior too so when the Vanilla Ice video hit the scene within three years of my friend getting his it was quite humorous to us.

Now, my '89 LX 5.0 convertible that I'd bought used in 1994 was not quite as 'tight' as my friend's GT was, even after I welded in the subframe connectors.
And yes, I found the Vanilla Ice CD in the discount bins for only $1.99 during that period, bought it and did in fact play it while driving in my (blue with white top/white interior) 5.0 with the ragtop down so my hair could blow LOL.
The car is long gone (had two more Mustang 'verts (SN95s) after it though) but I still have the CD.
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Originally Posted by HioSSilver
Yea.....cause no one ever has to stop or turn . So you agree that the carb'ed mustang was faster than the later fuel injected ones that everyone just raves about.


I don't think so. It would take better than perfect conditions for a 5.0 fi'ed notch to run a 14.3.....think about it.

Also the IROC ran a 14.7(definitely possible), I guess the carbed 305 t/a ran a 14.5 (which I don't think would happen either) because it beat the IROC and then got beat by the Mustang.
You go to great lengths to defame the Mustang. It's funny too, as we watch a video we're all laughing with and then YOU come along and do your best to trash the car that won the drag race because... Well, because what you think your dads car did... You're making this even funnier!

Go back and watch the video again... I-ROC... 14.8, T/A... 14.7 @ 89... Mustang GT, 14.3 @ 92. It is what it is, period.

Btw, there were many who posted 14.2's from the 87-93 5L. Maybe it'll make you feel better to hear that Motorweek managed to get a 14.5 @ 95 from the 87 350ci automatic I-ROC.
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Originally Posted by It'llrun
Btw, there were many who posted 14.2's from the 87-93 5L. Maybe it'll make you feel better to hear that Motorweek managed to get a 14.5 @ 95 from the 87 350ci automatic I-ROC.
I had only gotten a best of 14.8 out of my IROC Z28 350 (it had K&N filters, a cooler t-stat and slightly bumped timing too) and only 14.5@92mph out of my automatic LX 5.0 (similarly modded with removed intake silencer, K&N filter, t-stat and timing) but admittedly, I didn't know much about extracting the absolute most out of a car back then (1990 - 1994) either.
If I knew then what I know now, I could certainly cut another 3/10ths (or more) off of each of my car's bests from back then.
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Originally Posted by It'llrun
You go to great lengths to defame the Mustang. It's funny too, as we watch a video we're all laughing with and then YOU come along and do your best to trash the car that won the drag race because... Well, because what you think your dads car did... You're making this even funnier!

Go back and watch the video again... I-ROC... 14.8, T/A... 14.7 @ 89... Mustang GT, 14.3 @ 92. It is what it is, period.

Btw, there were many who posted 14.2's from the 87-93 5L. Maybe it'll make you feel better to hear that Motorweek managed to get a 14.5 @ 95 from the 87 350ci automatic I-ROC.
And you do your best to defend it......did you see that rolly poley pos in the turns?....lmao
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Originally Posted by LS1LT1
I had only gotten a best of 14.8 out of my IROC Z28 350 (it had K&N filters, a cooler t-stat and slightly bumped timing too) and only 14.5@92mph out of my automatic LX 5.0 (similarly modded with removed intake silencer, K&N filter, t-stat and timing) but admittedly, I didn't know much about extracting the absolute most out of a car back then (1990 - 1994) either.
If I knew then what I know now, I could certainly cut another 3/10ths (or more) off of each of my car's bests from back then.
a mechanic i used to work with had an iroc.....we all told him not to get it, but he did anyway. he was pretty embarrassed when he managed a 15.2 or something like that........
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I remember those days. It was actually fun. You have to remember the OEM's were finally starting to get their act together when it came to performance and emissions, but it really heated up in 85 with the 5.0 carb Mustang GT and the TPI motor was introduced the same year as well. I owned a then new 85 Z28 with TPI and my friend had a 85 GT, both were much faster than previous year versions. I routinely beat him and other 5.0's and 5.7 TPI cars without a problem. The key was manually shifting the auto. For whatever reason it was just faster than leaving it in D.
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WOW I must be old. I can remember watching that show when it was on TV. I owned a new L69 Iroc 5 speed and A new 85 GT. The Iroc would turn and handle much better but my Mustang was faster. My Mustang went 14.3 and my friends went 14.5 but they were aesy to get into the 13s. Keep in mind that 13s was quick back then.
Overall I liked driving the Iroc better but had allot more fun in the Mustang and ended up running high tens in it back in 89. That was very fast for anything back then. Just to give an Idea of what average guys ran back then my friends 305 iroc ran 14.6 bone stock,Another friend with A GT went 14.1 just removing the filter, Another one ran 14.4 in his 85 Vette. I also owned a new 82 GT and it ran 15.2.
Keep in mind that when these cars came out we thought they were incredible. We couldn't believe how nice and quiet they were to ride in

Today I still own 4 low mile all original 85GTs and one 85 Capri RS. Some day these cars will be worth a little money,,,,,,,,I hope.lol
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Originally Posted by LS1LT1
I had only gotten a best of 14.8 out of my IROC Z28 350 (it had K&N filters, a cooler t-stat and slightly bumped timing too) and only 14.5@92mph out of my automatic LX 5.0 (similarly modded with removed intake silencer, K&N filter, t-stat and timing) but admittedly, I didn't know much about extracting the absolute most out of a car back then (1990 - 1994) either.
If I knew then what I know now, I could certainly cut another 3/10ths (or more) off of each of my car's bests from back then.
I remember racing a friends 89 Formula Firebird and being rather shocked at the 15.7 @ 86mph result! He'd run several similar passes and I just thought it was him so I asked him to swap rides. He didn't run as well as I usually did, but then, his was probably easier just because it was slower and I'm sure he just steered mine. The 1st time I took my 91LX to the track, I'm pretty sure I ran 15's all night. It was an auto and I just left it in D for every pass, getting a feel for the car and the track. The next time out, I shifted myself and ran a 14.9 on the 1st run of the night. By the time I figured out which rpm to shift, it was running mid 14's, AOD and all. I still lost to pretty much all my Mustang friends with 5spd boxes.

Originally Posted by HioSSilver
And you do your best to defend it......did you see that rolly poley pos in the turns?....lmao
Of course I saw, and I didn't even BEGIN to defend it, though you erroneously(we're used to that from you) said otherwise.

A simple set of 16" wheels/tires on the Mustang would've made a massively preferential difference(I know because I tested with 15 and 16" setups), but that's not how the car was offered at that time... Oh well. As I said before, it is what it is.
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Originally Posted by 1995blacktattop
14.3 1/4 in 1985 is pretty impressive.

I wish they would have used the TPI trans am. but i guess they didn't want to test 2 TPI's

cool music selection too. i always liked Jan and Dean (deadman's curve and drag city are in the commercial)

I don't think it was a matter of having two tuned port cars, but having two different transmission choices. You wouldn't see the Corvette's L98 350 offered until 1987 in F-cars, though it made it's debut in Corvettes for the 1985 model year, the tuned port variant in F-cars was cube limited to 305 inches for 1985 buyers. So with that said, the two top V8s in 1985 F-bodies were both 305 cubic inch, one being fuel injected, the 210HP LB9 305 Tuned Port, and one carb'd, 190HP L69 305 4bbl. Yes, before any one says any thing, there was an LG4 305, but that wasn't in the video. The LB9 305 TPI for 1985 and 1986 model years was only mated to an automatic, and that automatic would be the only transmission choice until the 1987 model year when a 5 speed manual would then became available in LB9 optioned cars. So to get the manual in 1985 or 1986, you had to have the L69 305, evidently the manual was the only transmission offered with the L69 305.

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Old vid. I'll take the IROC-Z anyday.
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Originally Posted by armkneez8
Old vid....
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Originally Posted by BizZzatch350
I don't think it was a matter of having two tuned port cars, but having two different transmission choices. You wouldn't see the Corvette's L98 350 offered until 1987 in F-cars, though it made it's debut in Corvettes for the 1985 model year, the tuned port variant in F-cars was cube limited to 305 inches for 1985 buyers. So with that said, the two top V8s in 1985 F-bodies were both 305 cubic inch, one being fuel injected, the 210HP LB9 305 Tuned Port, and one carb'd, 190HP L69 305 4bbl. Yes, before any one says any thing, there was an LG4 305, but that wasn't in the video. The LB9 305 TPI for 1985 and 1986 model years was only mated to an automatic, and that automatic would be the only transmission choice until the 1987 model year when a 5 speed manual would then became available in LB9 optioned cars. So to get the manual in 1985 or 1986, you had to have the L69 305, evidently the manual was the only transmission offered with the L69 305.
True, except that the LB9 305 TPI was actually rated at 215hp and you could in fact (at some point at least) get an L69 HO F-body with an automatic (an engine that was very similar to the one used in the G-body Monte Carlo SSs as well).
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Glad I was non-existent during the 80s... sorry if that offends anyone.
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Glad I was non-existent during the 80s... sorry if that offends anyone.
Nah, it was a somewhat glorious time otherwise and as others have said, the cars were only slow when compared to what we have now, we thought we were doin' ok at the time LOL.
And living through that only makes us appreciate what we have now all the more.
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Just glad to see Hio trying to squirm around the fact that the mid 80's 5.0 was faster than the comparable F-Body



Keep Hio!
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Thanks for the video. They seem faster than I remember. My first new car was a 1983 z28 with a H.O. 305. A whopping 190 hp. Had a few others then I bought a new 1988 IROC Z w/ the 350, rated at 230 hp. It would run 14.9 at 93 mph stock and I thought that was really fast at the time. This was also the first car I ever raced. Did a couple bolt ons and it ran low 14s. At that time all the so called super cars were lucky to break in the 13s.
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then I bought a new 1988 IROC Z w/ the 350, rated at 230 hp. It would run 14.9 at 93 mph stock and I thought that was really fast at the time. This was also the first car I ever raced.
Same here, my '87 IROC Z28 350 was also the very first car I ever ran down a drag strip, Long Island Dragway (aka: Westhampton) out in the Hamptons/Long Island in June or July of 1989.
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Originally Posted by Bill00Formula
Thanks for the video. They seem faster than I remember. My first new car was a 1983 z28 with a H.O. 305. A whopping 190 hp. Had a few others then I bought a new 1988 IROC Z w/ the 350, rated at 230 hp. It would run 14.9 at 93 mph stock and I thought that was really fast at the time. This was also the first car I ever raced. Did a couple bolt ons and it ran low 14s. At that time all the so called super cars were lucky to break in the 13s.
heh.....first car i ever raced was my grand parents 71 ford ranch wagon with a 390 2v. it was fast enough, believe it or not, to beat most of the camaros and mustangs at the school. most all were stock though back then.
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I had good times racing cocky kids in my Integra back in high school that had 3rd gens and fox bodies...very cocky lol
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Originally Posted by HioSSilver
I don't remember ever seeing a carb'ed stock mustang in that era run a 14. The ones I was in/around I remember being turdy before FI came for them. Fox body's handled awful......what a heap of **** in the turns.....lol That thing was everywhere.

Dad has a pristine 85 IROC TPI car that he bought with only 2,000 miles and has only about 25k on it now. He never would take it to the track but it had no problems with the Mustangs of that era. It ran really good for then.
Originally Posted by Bill00Formula
Thanks for the video. They seem faster than I remember. My first new car was a 1983 z28 with a H.O. 305. A whopping 190 hp. Had a few others then I bought a new 1988 IROC Z w/ the 350, rated at 230 hp. It would run 14.9 at 93 mph stock and I thought that was really fast at the time. This was also the first car I ever raced. Did a couple bolt ons and it ran low 14s. At that time all the so called super cars were lucky to break in the 13s.
The mustang had headers and a holley carb, and koni shocks. the iroc had bilsteins in the rear only. Suprised nobody noticed this before. THE MUSTANG WASNT STOCK LOL


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