firebird99

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Yeah but they also claimed 11.9's on street tires with the ZL1 and we know how that turned out.

As for the guy that thinks the 1le should be a COPO that would be even further off because a COPO car was only built to go fast in a straight line where this car is built to run on a track/auto cross.

1.V6 Camaro=dd
2.SS Camaro=fun dd
3.SS 1le Camaro=fun dd with a taste for the track
4.ZL1 CAMARO=does everything fast but could be a little faster
5.COPO Camaro=factory built single digit drag car

If one of these choices can't satisfy your needs then your to f"ing picky since most of us on here mod are cars anyways and judging by the sales the general public is pretty happy with these choices also. Oh you could also take a look at ford or dodge but please no imports...lol

Wnts2Go10O

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could do as little as a ported ls3 intake to developing a whole new intake. the cam could be a new cam or one they know will work from another engine. this is GM, they are the masters of pinching pennies.

ULTIMATEORANGESS

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that they are. im all for more power but i think GM was thinking more gearing would not only help with acceleration but also with handling by keep revs up.


do you think porting a stock intake and upgrading to a slightly more aggressive cam would be more beneficial than better gearing?

NW-99SS

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I know exactly what the original COPO cars were, thanks. And all the options on COPO cars in the late 60's were "officially available" just not advertised.

I still don't agree that the 1LE should be compared to the Boss, it's still an SS model Camaro.

MI-Z/28

I'm very interested to see how the gearing changes affect the car.

ss1129

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Does a different gear ratio really cost GM more money in the first place. That should of been an option from the SS in 2010. Its not like they put extra gears in the car...just different ratios.

firebird99

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If its "better" it's gonna cost more regardless of what it cost them.

ss1129

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Exactly, which adds up to a weak sauce excuse of a 1le. Different gear ratios for the trans doesnt cost them more than the ss. Different gear ratios for the diff doesnt cost them more than the ss. Different tires likely cost GM less than $600 to upgrade as thats what the price difference is at Tirerack. Again the wheel themselves are just different, not better.

You get a higher capacity fuel pump, and coming from GM only god knows what that means. You get beefier half shafts, which even the Camaro SS needs, again probably doesnt cost them **** over the standard one anyways. (just an assumption here). You get better shocks and a strut tower brace from gm. Aside from gearing, a monkey could build a better 1le.

Sorry but I think you can thank the current dumbass gen5 camaro owners that on everything camaro related for this car. Im guessing lowering springs, swaybars, strut tower brace and tires put a standard ss right on par with the "1le". Sorry, but the 1le should just be individual SS options.

NW-99SS

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So let me get this straight...

You believe that to change the manufacturing internals of a transmission is free (let's not even begin to count R&D).
You think the lighter wheels are just different and not better (obviously no clue on rotational mass).
Tires I won't argue, we all know the big 3 get huge discounts to equip their cars with certain brands.
You think upgraded half-shafts cost no more than the stock SS's.
You think shocks and strut-braces are also no extra cost.

Let me add this up, transmission and rear end gearing = free. Lighter wheels = free. Half-shaft upgrade = free. Shocks and strut brace = free.

I don't know where you shop to upgrade your car with mods, but I have definitely been shopping at the wrong vendors. Could you please direct me to the place where I can add all these parts to my car for nothing...

Z Fury

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I would think that a member of LS1Tech, a site geared toward modding cars, would know the difference between upgrades after a vehicle is sold ($$$) and upgrades made in production, where parts are bought on a larger scale (less $$$). I agree those upgrades aren't free, but to think they'd add more than $1-2K to the car is pretty ridiculous. The only things I see there that would cost more are the wheels, trans, and strut brace. Everything else would replace existing parts for only a marginal price increase.

HioSSilver

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I'm sure most of the cost come from the magnetic shocks.

ss1129

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A mm6 is tr6060 with different gear ratios, as in same amount of gears, different ratios. Nothing magical about that.

The rear gets a new gear ratio...as in the original gear doesnt go in the car...it gets a different gear ratio...as in same amount of parts and same quality.

Nobody ever said the wheels were lighter or that lighter wheels were not better. Id wait for actual weights of them to appear. They are based on zl1 wheels, they are not zl1 wheels.

The shocks no doubt cost more. The strut tower brace cost some too, but to think this is realistically a $3,500 bargin is stupid.

SSCamaro99_3

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1LE does not get the MRC package.

GM is also not a charity. They are in the business of making money, not upgrading cars for cost.

NW-99SS

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I agree, you show me one vehicle with upgrades that are free of charge from any manufacturer.

firebird99

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After looking over the parts list it seems like a good price since we would spend as much if not more to add those parts and we would run the risk of losing the warranty(for those who care) but at the same time I'm glad it's just a ss option because I feel a 1le "model" would be a let down when compared to a boss and I'm not buying the vir sub 3:00 crap but I hope I'm wrong and these little changes makes a big difference. Only time will tell...

ULTIMATEORANGESS

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anyone have what GMs cost is on a 1le option?


from what ive seen 5th gens arent really marked up that high. yes, of course as you load them up they are but from what ive read an upper 30k 2ss isnt marked up a ton.

GMs job is to be profitable but like anything else its our choice to buy one or not and this option has me interested.

ULTIMATEORANGESS

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warranty is also a factor. having that is valuable. for those who want it which i sure would.

MasterTomos

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Thats the upgraded power I mentioned. I didn't really mention the specs of any of the upgrades, just the areas.

Z Fury

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I gladly would, but they don't break things down that way. Changing gear ratios in a truck adds a new package, as in you can't ONLY do a gear ratio change.

But if you are seriously going to sit there and tell me that it costs more for GM to install a 3.91 in the rear of that car than it costs to install a 3.70...

MI-Z/28

Have you ever worked in a manufacturing plant? More specifically a mass production plant? Have you ever visited a GM assembly plant? If so, you would or should understand how a minor change can have major impacts on the assembly process and more importantly the bottom line.

***EDIT: FYI - A gear change on the Mustang was extra even when it was not part of the track pack. A gear change on the Ram trucks also costs more.