Originally Posted by RedHotG8

I would imagine the G8 GXP is pretty close to the Camaro SS since they have the same motor and chassis. Evidently they didn't test it since it's not a new car but with the Chevy SS coming out in the near future maybe they will throw that in the mix.

Originally Posted by 2000SSNavyblue

How exactly will the ZL1 get the hole shot ever, if every mag has consistently shown the GT500 quicker 0-40, 0-60, etc? Its just not going to happen no matter how much you wish that it would, all things being equal. I understand the brake fade and we are comparing stock vehicles. However, after some use, pads, rotors and fluid are changed at some point and as many members do here, they do not replace with stock items, at times even improved items. For a few hundred you can get brake cooling kits, if your going to track your GT500 you may as well spend the money. Even still, Ford should be working to address the brakes for the 2014 GT500 with cooling ducts or better. As far as those of you who talk about racing and moving over, I'm comparing the two on the same track at the same time. Me in a GT500 and you in a ZL1, I get the jump and stay in the lead the whole 1st lap, Im not going to move over for you to pass if your on my tail, in a turn, plus after the turn, Im going to stomp on it and your going to fade back, then you may catch up in a turn again but again, not enough hp or handling to pass me in the turn so your on my tail, then the turn ends and I stomp on it and you fade again. Repeat cycle, over and over, lap ends and I win. Now we do this a 2nd lap and the same. Now Im seeing my brake issue, I have won 2 laps and have to stop, your over there making excuses about going more laps and you would have won, Im like sure, sure you got me, wink, wink. 2 weeks later we do the same and I have a brake cooling kit on for $300 or less and we do more laps and low and behold, no brake fade and you are doing the same repeat cycle except this time you are saying how I had to spend $300 to win. Next time you come with a pulley and tune but guess what I did the same and the cycle repeats, until the tires go bald on the GT500 first, blow out and then you pass, or maybe you run out of gas before that happens as the ZL1 can't get the MPG's. Bottomline there is no hole shot and as a daily driver, we know which car will dominate the other each and everytime. Either way, GM did good with the ZL1 and competition is a good thing.

Originally Posted by HioSSilver

It would probably out perform the ZL1 on the road course.

Originally Posted by 2000SSNavyblue

How exactly will the ZL1 get the hole shot ever, if every mag has consistently shown the GT500 quicker 0-40, 0-60, etc? Its just not going to happen no matter how much you wish that it would, all things being equal. I understand the brake fade and we are comparing stock vehicles. However, after some use, pads, rotors and fluid are changed at some point and as many members do here, they do not replace with stock items, at times even improved items. For a few hundred you can get brake cooling kits, if your going to track your GT500 you may as well spend the money. Even still, Ford should be working to address the brakes for the 2014 GT500 with cooling ducts or better. As far as those of you who talk about racing and moving over, I'm comparing the two on the same track at the same time. Me in a GT500 and you in a ZL1, I get the jump and stay in the lead the whole 1st lap, Im not going to move over for you to pass if your on my tail, in a turn, plus after the turn, Im going to stomp on it and your going to fade back, then you may catch up in a turn again but again, not enough hp or handling to pass me in the turn so your on my tail, then the turn ends and I stomp on it and you fade again. Repeat cycle, over and over, lap ends and I win. Now we do this a 2nd lap and the same. Now Im seeing my brake issue, I have won 2 laps and have to stop, your over there making excuses about going more laps and you would have won, Im like sure, sure you got me, wink, wink. 2 weeks later we do the same and I have a brake cooling kit on for $300 or less and we do more laps and low and behold, no brake fade and you are doing the same repeat cycle except this time you are saying how I had to spend $300 to win. Next time you come with a pulley and tune but guess what I did the same and the cycle repeats, until the tires go bald on the GT500 first, blow out and then you pass, or maybe you run out of gas before that happens as the ZL1 can't get the MPG's. Bottomline there is no hole shot and as a daily driver, we know which car will dominate the other each and everytime. Either way, GM did good with the ZL1 and competition is a good thing.

Originally Posted by jmurray87

I wouldn't mind seeing the 1LE perform with the full magnetic ride suspension from the ZR1/ZL1 since it only borrows some of it and toss in a LS7 = done and sold.

BTW back in July the 1LE went 2:58 around the track which puts it ahead of the GT500/Boss302....sorry Ford.

http://www.topspeed.com/cars/car-new...-ar133103.html

Originally Posted by MasterTomos

Im not certain, but I thought the G8 GXp's weighed more. Plus they were riding on the older version of the Camaro's platform. 2012 saw huge upgrades to suspension even on the standard SS over the 2010-2011 cars, and the 2012+ cars are the ones setting all these numbers, especially the 1LE.

Originally Posted by Ry_Trapp0

so the ZL1 can never be beaten by a GT500 on a road course - except for when it is


BTW, i only posted this image up(with the whole 'delicate vagina' thing) because i'm far too lazy to go find the 4 individual track tests listed and post them up(and it's obviously missing this comparison, bringing them to 2-2-1).
cue the "two posts since 2008???" comments

Originally Posted by jmurray87

BTW back in July the 1LE went 2:58 around the track which puts it ahead of the GT500/Boss302....sorry Ford.

Originally Posted by Ry_Trapp0

so the ZL1 can never be beaten by a GT500 on a road course - except for when it is


BTW, i only posted this image up(with the whole 'delicate vagina' thing) because i'm far too lazy to go find the 4 individual track tests listed and post them up(and it's obviously missing this comparison, bringing them to 2-2-1).
cue the "two posts since 2008???" comments

Originally Posted by ThisBlood147

Ugh. Not again. One lap time on an undocumented car does not a faster car make. Does ANYONE have some legit lap times for the 1LE OTHER than this singular VIR lap run that has been posted TO DEATH???

Sorry, but if this were any other make of car posting a single better lap than the new Camaro, there would plenty of skepticism being displayed here instead of ready acceptance. I'm not trying to be a stereotypical excuse maker here ( I don't think any of these new Mustangs or Camaros are jokes nor require any), but I want an honest-to-God, head to head lap time comparison.......at ANY track. All the comparos posted between these two cars thus far simply weigh the basic metrics and measure up the intangibles. Why can't we just get a simple lap time comparison?

I don't even see a lightning lap time listed for a 1LE. Is no one racing this car yet????

Originally Posted by RedHotG8

They weigh about the same and both use the Zeta chassis but the Camaro's is a slightly newer version. There's no doubt the enhancements made in 2012 would give the Camaro the advantage but I would imagine the new Chevy SS will also get those same improvements.

Seeing the Camaro and the G8 share alot of the same suspension parts it's possible those upgrades might fit the G8. If anyone knows what was changed to the suspension on the 2012 Camaro I would like to know and do some some research to see if those parts are compatible with the G8.

Usually the factory parts are cheaper than aftermarket parts, for instance the GMPP upgrades for the Grand Prix that improve handling and braking. I know the Brembo brakes and the wheels from the Camaro fit the G8, same goes for the rear end.

Originally Posted by kennyxg

So Hio what happened here? look at 8.48 of the flim.. http://youtu.be/iVTU5r5sK9E EXCUSE NO.1?

Originally Posted by MasterTomos

On the FE4 2012+ standard SS cars (non-1LE) it's repositioned and larger/solid swaybars and "re-tuned" dampners, as well as a few tweaks in the suspension geometry. From what I've gathered, it's a lot of little tweaks that make a pretty noticeable difference. I also know the 2012+ front strut towers are different from the 10-11 cars, and also provide factory mounting holes for a STB (thanks to the convertible). Just a lot of little things like that.

I remember seeing on another forum pictures of the new sway bars, and the floor pan design in the trunk of the 5th gen was re-made with "humps" in them for 2012 to accomodate the new suspension revision.

Originally Posted by HioSSilver

who know's?? I'm not driving. It's not my car and I know neither of the drivers. Do you know??

My guess is on track days there are massive differences in experience for the drivers. Kinda like at the drag strip on a typical day, but on a road coarse it's even more exploited. You would know this if you had a ounce of sense.