Ford drops to #4
12-23-2006, 03:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Blakbird24
To "prove" something, you first need complete data, which doesn't yet exist for 2006. I have successfully showed that market share is THUS FAR up for 2006. I never said that once complete data is in that can't change.
WTF. ive been saying its been declining for yrs. this is what ive been trying to show you.
12-23-2006, 03:39 PM
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Originally Posted by ULTIMATEORANGESS
ive been saying its been declining for yrs.
Originally Posted by ULTIMATEORANGESS
yes you certainly are. 
GREAT JOB
12-23-2006, 03:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Blakbird24
I think it's safe to say this discussion is over. I'm going for a ride. 
ok but one more thing. heres complete data so now you can admit you were wrong once again.
http://www.associatedcontent.com/art..._for_2006.html
five best selling vehicles on the planet.did i quote you corectly now?
12-23-2006, 04:20 PM
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Originally Posted by ULTIMATEORANGESS
ok but one more thing. heres complete data so now you can admit you were wrong once again.
http://www.associatedcontent.com/art..._for_2006.html
five best selling vehicles on the planet.did i quote you corectly now?
http://www.associatedcontent.com/art..._for_2006.html
five best selling vehicles on the planet.did i quote you corectly now?
2006 IS NOT YET OVER, don't present 2006 figures to me as fact until it is.
12-23-2006, 04:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Blakbird24
Yes, you quoted me correctly, and then proceeded to forget about half of what you learned in this thread.
2006 IS NOT YET OVER, don't present 2006 figures to me as fact until it is.
2006 IS NOT YET OVER, don't present 2006 figures to me as fact until it is.
youre right.
hold on.i thought sales for MY were calculated at the end of august? doesnt sept. start a new MY? i think thats an accurate link.
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12-23-2006, 04:35 PM
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Originally Posted by ULTIMATEORANGESS
youre right. hold on.
i thought sales for MY were calculated at the end of august? doesnt sept. start a new MY? i think thats an accurate link.
hold on.i thought sales for MY were calculated at the end of august? doesnt sept. start a new MY? i think thats an accurate link.
12-23-2006, 04:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Blakbird24
Ah see there's where the discrepancy is. I now understand what you were talking about. I'm going by vehicle sales and marketshare in 2006...not MY 2006. So my figures would include some 2007's.
marketshare is what it is.
as far as sales by MY i still think that link is correct since the MY ends in aug. i think any leftovers are counted as sales in the next MY.
12-23-2006, 04:51 PM
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Originally Posted by ULTIMATEORANGESS
marketshare is what it is.
as far as sales by MY i still think that link is correct since the MY ends in aug. i think any leftovers are counted as sales in the next MY.
as far as sales by MY i still think that link is correct since the MY ends in aug. i think any leftovers are counted as sales in the next MY.
12-24-2006, 04:54 AM
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There needs to be some heavy quotaing and taxing placed on imported steel/aluminum/corrugated and the like. American companies involved in these industries are all being driven out of business because of the foreign markets. Hell, if you look at the northwest here, we've shut down more Georgia pacifics, American Steel & Aluminum, Freightliners, etc than I can count at the moment. Really, I see the same foreign goods that are flooding our markets significantly hurting our auto industry--It's all general manufacturing.
I here economists go on and on about the benefits of an open, globally free economy between all countries. I'm sorry, but that really only benefits countries who have LESS REGULATION that ours. The rules and standards that companies must follow in order to conduct business here far exceed most other countries--namely Japan and China (AND THIS IS OBVIOUS). The cost to operate simply to not equate between countries.
This foriegn dumping is really hurting more than general manufacturing too. Take the Fruit's and Vegetable industry for example. Juice companies like Langers who import their berries from South America are making huge hits to the American and Canadian growers here who sell to Ocean Spray. Obviously the land, water, growing, and operating regulations for the American and Canadian growers are significantly more regulated (thus more costly) than the Foriegn suppliers. These expenses just drive up the cost of the berries and the juices you enjoy. The biggest problem is Ocean Spray and the like must compete with the froeign companies/suppliers and need to price their juices comparably. What this has done is lowered the price Ocean Spray and the like are willing to pay for berries from the American and Canadian growers--forcing most out of the business due to the already high costs of operation.
There are thousands more examples to use to illustrate this point.
I here economists go on and on about the benefits of an open, globally free economy between all countries. I'm sorry, but that really only benefits countries who have LESS REGULATION that ours. The rules and standards that companies must follow in order to conduct business here far exceed most other countries--namely Japan and China (AND THIS IS OBVIOUS). The cost to operate simply to not equate between countries.
This foriegn dumping is really hurting more than general manufacturing too. Take the Fruit's and Vegetable industry for example. Juice companies like Langers who import their berries from South America are making huge hits to the American and Canadian growers here who sell to Ocean Spray. Obviously the land, water, growing, and operating regulations for the American and Canadian growers are significantly more regulated (thus more costly) than the Foriegn suppliers. These expenses just drive up the cost of the berries and the juices you enjoy. The biggest problem is Ocean Spray and the like must compete with the froeign companies/suppliers and need to price their juices comparably. What this has done is lowered the price Ocean Spray and the like are willing to pay for berries from the American and Canadian growers--forcing most out of the business due to the already high costs of operation.
There are thousands more examples to use to illustrate this point.