GM to Set Up Research Center in Shanghai
11-01-2007, 06:38 PM
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You are FUNNY!
I never post on Tundra, or any other foreign boards. I am not a troll like yourself. From the sounds of those posts they sound like very specific problems posted by owners, and the same problems by quite a few.
As far as the problems being taken care of by Toyota- doesnt seem that way for all of them. Reading through those posts seem like they are claiming there is no problem (kind of like you).
And as far as you not being against domestics- Please. I would bet that if you were to take a poll of everyone who reads the BS you spew the very large majority would agree that you are anti-domestic troll.
Go hang out on a Toyota forum and stop coming in here with your **** stirring bull ****. How sad must it be to continually come back with many different screen names after being banned?
I never post on Tundra, or any other foreign boards. I am not a troll like yourself. From the sounds of those posts they sound like very specific problems posted by owners, and the same problems by quite a few.
As far as the problems being taken care of by Toyota- doesnt seem that way for all of them. Reading through those posts seem like they are claiming there is no problem (kind of like you).
And as far as you not being against domestics- Please. I would bet that if you were to take a poll of everyone who reads the BS you spew the very large majority would agree that you are anti-domestic troll.
Go hang out on a Toyota forum and stop coming in here with your **** stirring bull ****. How sad must it be to continually come back with many different screen names after being banned?
Im not against domestics. Ive owned an 89 mustang, 96 beretta, 99 Tahoe, 2001 Tahoe and tomorrow a 2007 Powerstroke 250. My response are to the ones that say, "Nippon this and Nippon that". If you would come to Houston, you will see thats who I hang around, mostly domestic.
11-01-2007, 06:40 PM
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THIS is the bottom line that all of the import nameplate/transplant praising fanboyzz just cannot (or refuse to) understand.
Yes, I AM a PROUD "nationalist", and an unabashed, blatant "domestic fanboy" for this very reason (especially in "their" global economy!!).
I guess that they also root for foreign teams in international competitions, and our enemies in war??
Yes, I AM a PROUD "nationalist", and an unabashed, blatant "domestic fanboy" for this very reason (especially in "their" global economy!!).
I guess that they also root for foreign teams in international competitions, and our enemies in war??
11-01-2007, 06:52 PM
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forget it!!!
11-01-2007, 07:13 PM
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11-01-2007, 08:07 PM
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okay?? There isn't an argument, american auto makers help this country more than any import brand ever will period Never will Toyota give this country what the AMERICAN companies do. You seemed to ignore half of what I say, and I repeat AGAIN that there is no talk of importing cars built in China, so READ my post again.
you also had no rebuttal to what mzoomora said:
is that giving to the american economy? is that helping out all these small towns that claim honda and toyota our 'godsends'?
you also had no rebuttal to what mzoomora said:
Then there is the manipulation of the Yen to approx. 85% of its value to help Japan export products and parts for products to be assembled here. Then there is product dumping, which has been going on for a very long time.
11-01-2007, 08:11 PM
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I never said you post on the Tundra forums. I said you sound like the ones that come on there posing to have issues with the Tundra, trying to hold on to the only market segment you have left!
Im not against domestics. Ive owned an 89 mustang, 96 beretta, 99 Tahoe, 2001 Tahoe and tomorrow a 2007 Powerstroke 250. My response are to the ones that say, "Nippon this and Nippon that". If you would come to Houston, you will see thats who I hang around, mostly domestic.
Im not against domestics. Ive owned an 89 mustang, 96 beretta, 99 Tahoe, 2001 Tahoe and tomorrow a 2007 Powerstroke 250. My response are to the ones that say, "Nippon this and Nippon that". If you would come to Houston, you will see thats who I hang around, mostly domestic.
BTW, going to pick up my new F350 Tuesday. Should make for a nice 4 car car hauler.
11-01-2007, 08:21 PM
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11-01-2007, 08:24 PM
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okay?? There isn't an argument, american auto makers help this country more than any import brand ever will period Never will Toyota give this country what the AMERICAN companies do. You seemed to ignore half of what I say, and I repeat AGAIN that there is no talk of importing cars built in China, so READ my post again.
you also had no rebuttal to what mzoomora said:
is that giving to the american economy? is that helping out all these small towns that claim honda and toyota our 'godsends'?
you also had no rebuttal to what mzoomora said:
is that giving to the american economy? is that helping out all these small towns that claim honda and toyota our 'godsends'?
But Philips said Honda, which has invested $6 billion in Ohio, has been a "godsend."
"It's hard to express what they mean to our economy," he said.
Foreign auto manufacturers have been economic angels to other small towns, too. The Toyota plant in Georgetown, Kentucky, provided funds to help build a new high school; the Mercedes plant in Vance, Alabama, has brought nearly 42,000 jobs to the area; BMW has invested more than $2 billion in its Spartanburg, South Carolina, facility. These are just several of many towns that understand what Honda means to Marysville. Learn about foreign auto plants in the U.S. »
While GM is closing plants, building sites in China and laying off 1000's of American workers, Honda, Toyota, Mercedes and Nissan are giving those small town families hope! Look how much they invest into the economy.
11-01-2007, 08:30 PM
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11-01-2007, 08:36 PM
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Ive provided pics of what I tow. Aint no lies here, parnter! Aint my fault your buddy cant add. Once again 55.5 x 55 = 3052 x 5 pallet = 15262 + trailor. If I hadnt provided proof, then you have every reason to deny anything that I have said. I also offer you to go in the Texas section and pose your doubts on the people that see me tow this daily.
11-01-2007, 08:40 PM
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Eventually China and Asia are going to represent the lion's share of support GM recieves financially, just as North America is a goldmine for Asian automakers. Automakers from all over the world are rushing to setup shop in China, and that's not going to change anytime soon.
What a strange world we live in eh?
What a strange world we live in eh?
11-01-2007, 08:42 PM
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Eventually China and Asia are going to represent the lion's share of support GM recieves financially, just as North America is a goldmine for Asian automakers. Automakers from all over the world are rushing to setup shop in China, and that's not going to change anytime soon.
What a strange world we live in eh?
What a strange world we live in eh?
agreed.
11-01-2007, 08:46 PM
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11-01-2007, 09:41 PM
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Ive provided pics of what I tow. Aint no lies here, parnter! Aint my fault your buddy cant add. Once again 55.5 x 55 = 3052 x 5 pallet = 15262 + trailor. If I hadnt provided proof, then you have every reason to deny anything that I have said. I also offer you to go in the Texas section and pose your doubts on the people that see me tow this daily.
EDIT: and yes I did look at the sale figures, of course toyotas sales are going to go up with the tundra after the sad excuse for a truck that they have been selling its no wonder this truck is selling better. It will be years before toyota MIGHT be able to take one of the big three, they are closest to Dodge but the new ram is supposed to out in 09 (?) since they have been running on their current platform since 03 which will make them even harder to catch. Back to the title of the thread: its good that GM is expanding their horizons and setting up a RESEARCH facility in China, its a smart move for the company... it benefits our economy very much if we can sell american brands in china
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11-02-2007, 03:17 AM
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This thread is as gay as a spring chicken! 
GM is setting up a research facility to do only work with hybrid tech which will be applied to cars in the Asian market. GM builds cars in Asia and wants to plan for better sales in the future IN ASIA
Hybird tech isn't popular in the North American market. It is doubtful much learned from this facility will cross over into the USA.
Diesel is a much better application for the North American market. That would come from GM Powertrain Europe a Torino.
Even then it looks like GM is going for DI and HCCI next for the North American market.
I don't see why GM building this is going to be a problem.
Even if GM did it would just end up like EV1 as previously demostrated. GM stated it wouldn't go back to hybrid style drives in the US market.
Ok, lets just say GM does want to bring hybrid tech into the US. Wait! Chevy Volt! That is IC-electric. Would it be developed there? Too expensive for the Asian market to beta test it for the US market. Not really technically the hybrid drive they were talking about but still...
It is probable they might develop it there for the rich and bring it back. But unlikely, too much work for a low volume vehicle that won't make it due to the cost of its ~10,000 or more battery pack.
Just my 2 cents. Sorry for the rant.
GM is setting up a research facility to do only work with hybrid tech which will be applied to cars in the Asian market. GM builds cars in Asia and wants to plan for better sales in the future IN ASIA
Hybird tech isn't popular in the North American market. It is doubtful much learned from this facility will cross over into the USA.
Diesel is a much better application for the North American market. That would come from GM Powertrain Europe a Torino.
Even then it looks like GM is going for DI and HCCI next for the North American market.
I don't see why GM building this is going to be a problem.
Even if GM did it would just end up like EV1 as previously demostrated. GM stated it wouldn't go back to hybrid style drives in the US market.
Ok, lets just say GM does want to bring hybrid tech into the US. Wait! Chevy Volt! That is IC-electric. Would it be developed there? Too expensive for the Asian market to beta test it for the US market. Not really technically the hybrid drive they were talking about but still...
It is probable they might develop it there for the rich and bring it back. But unlikely, too much work for a low volume vehicle that won't make it due to the cost of its ~10,000 or more battery pack.
Just my 2 cents. Sorry for the rant.
11-02-2007, 09:58 AM
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Hybrids are a fad and bridge technology at best. The only thing that is a long-term positive from hybrids is battery technology. The Volt and other technologies similar to that are a step in the right direction- electric drive with a gasoline charging system for when you run low on charge. The main problem is price, hopefully that will come down with time. I would really like to see Hydrogen take off, but the infrastructure would be huge. At least E85 and hybrids are supported by the current infrastructure.
If their research in China leads to better battery technology that can be manufactured and applied in the US, then it is a definite positive.
If their research in China leads to better battery technology that can be manufactured and applied in the US, then it is a definite positive.
11-04-2007, 05:04 PM
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Hybrids are a fad and bridge technology at best. The only thing that is a long-term positive from hybrids is battery technology. The Volt and other technologies similar to that are a step in the right direction- electric drive with a gasoline charging system for when you run low on charge. The main problem is price, hopefully that will come down with time. I would really like to see Hydrogen take off, but the infrastructure would be huge. At least E85 and hybrids are supported by the current infrastructure.
If their research in China leads to better battery technology that can be manufactured and applied in the US, then it is a definite positive.
If their research in China leads to better battery technology that can be manufactured and applied in the US, then it is a definite positive.
It is the batteries. But can't it be solved? I think it could.
Electric cars cost less to run if you take away the consideration that the battery has finite life. Power companies can generate and distrib power much cheaper than any gas engine could make it. Slap 60% efficiency on that AFTER power generation by the utility and 1.5 ohm/mile transmission loss and the electric car still wins hands down.
Then, the next worst thing is that electric cars have a charge time.
Why the hell didn't they do the same deal as they did with electric fork lifts? Make the car so where the battery can be changed out easily with a lift and the gas stations host the fleets of batteries + charging. Solves the cost of battery life real fast. The companies could make more than the cost of the battery within the life span EASY.
That also solves the issue of charge time as well.
Oh wait that would be more work and since the cars are cheaper they would make less money.
11-04-2007, 05:20 PM
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all of the pro american fanboi crap in this thread cracks me up.
complain about how much stuff costs, cry all over about how you ant to keep your hard earned, then try to tell companies they HAVE to produce cars here or it is unamerican? which way do you guys want it?
the options are simple and clear. you can either expect GM to deal with the north american unions demanding retarded amounts of money for largely unskilled labor, or you can buy more affordable cars produced or engineered at a lower cost over seas.
the US has become a payroll deathzone compared to the rest of the world. the real solution is for americans to realize that they are the market, and stop expecting the market to react to their crying.
GM and other companies are doing the right thing for their big picture and their investors by going overseas. until american labor dislodges it's collective head from it's rectum we can all expect to see a lot more moves like this from companies in all markets, not just automotive.
complain about how much stuff costs, cry all over about how you ant to keep your hard earned, then try to tell companies they HAVE to produce cars here or it is unamerican? which way do you guys want it?
the options are simple and clear. you can either expect GM to deal with the north american unions demanding retarded amounts of money for largely unskilled labor, or you can buy more affordable cars produced or engineered at a lower cost over seas.
the US has become a payroll deathzone compared to the rest of the world. the real solution is for americans to realize that they are the market, and stop expecting the market to react to their crying.
GM and other companies are doing the right thing for their big picture and their investors by going overseas. until american labor dislodges it's collective head from it's rectum we can all expect to see a lot more moves like this from companies in all markets, not just automotive.