slick1851

Honestly what the ****, 40,000 dollers for a challanger?

Why not make it 30K and sell them like hot cakes, 40 grand gets you alot of cars in this day and age.


And the camaro better not be up there either, theres a reason why the mustang does so good. Its priced right, GM better put the camaro around what the mustang is.

SSNISTR

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It's 40K for a fully loaded one. I don't think that is so bad for 2008/9.

I'd rather it be like the old days. Big egine, no options. Equals less weight.

Biggest issue with new muscle cars IMO is not price, but there fat asses. I mean 4200 pounds for a Challenger!

jwindbigler

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They weigh that much?? Geeze. The 98-02 camaro/trans am weighed what 3800lbs??

SSNISTR

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Yup they do!

F-bodies weigh less then 3800 pounds. If I recall mine was like 3600 or so....

jwindbigler

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Damn only 3600. The new EVO's are I think 3300 lbs and the STI's are 3200 lbs. So much for ricers having a weight advantage on us eh?

jwindbigler

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I really did think that we weighed closer to 4K than 3500.

cookba

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they are getting heavier, but then again they are coming with 400hp as the standard V8. I would love a bare bones no A/C or Radio etc new production muscle car

ChaseSS

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as far as new cars go... 40k is the new 30k

Revelation Z28

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i wish it was like the 60's. 6000 for an SS.

you guys who were born 25 years before me were luck.

jwindbigler

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Yeah, but back then candy bars were a nickel.

DrkPhynx

While there is sure to be some fluctuation, the A4 T/A WS6 is around 3500lbs. 3495, or 3500, depending on the source. Amount of fluids, and their temp (including air pressure in tires) can affect weight on the scales, not to mention people weighing it sometimes with themselves, sometimes without. The T/A has everything. The only option (aside from the WS6 package) is a CD changer (and auto vs manual). Everything else is crammed in, so it's ought to be the heaviest one.

STi's are around 3200-3400 lbs, but remember, the C5 is around 3300, and the Z06 is around the high 3100s. Add to that a turbo and I/C allowing them to crank out more power than we have (stock) far more easily, and AWD, and they really DO have a weight advantage. How much do you think an F-Body would weigh with AWD? I'm afraid to even think about it.

But the Challenger is 4160 lbs because of regulations and consumer demand. More safety features and options and more structural strength for crash safety means more weight. More structural strength for reducing NVH means more weight. More gadgets and amenities means more weight.

The Infinity G35 MT Coupe weighs 3668 according to Nissan, AND it's about 12" shorter with less rear head-room, so I'm not so concerned about my car being "overweight" anymore.

1970judge

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Im with ya, i wish i could walk in and say i want THAT car with THOSE wheels NO options and THIS 6.1..Im only in it for the looks/engine not the stereo or the AC..

Jon5212

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The prices are relative... in the 60's muscle cars may have been 6000 brand new loaded, but thats today's 40,000 car. My dad told me his first car was a corvair, he paid like 100 bucks for it.

jwindbigler

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The 97 C5's I think were right at 3250, and the 04's were rated at 3100.

The STI's and EVO's do have AWD, but they dont have more HP rated than us. The formula has 305 from 98-99, and 320 from 00-02. The WS6's are 320 for 98-99, and 340 from 00-02. I think that the new STI's were rated at 300HP. (I could be wrong...I dont really keep up with the ricer world), and the EVO's the last time I checked were at about 286HP. Even though that they have a weight advantage on us, we have a torque and non boost lag in our favor. Thats why we are so much faster than them. Not out of the hole, but after 100 or so, we are faster.

DrkPhynx

There is no boost lag for all practical intents and purposes on those 2 at all, especially after 100mph.

What I was saying though, is that for them to hit over 350hp takes basically nothing. They can hit 400hp more easily than we can, not that they have 350+ stock. I just didn't word it right.

Revelation Z28

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just another benefit. plus there surprisingly werent as many fat people at that price!

SSNISTR

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No they didn't....

320 in '00, 5 more '01-'02.

Blakbird24

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HA!

I guess it depends on your perspective. Do you own an LS1? Compared to my stock LS1, the STi felt like a heavy civic until 4000rpm. There's PLENTY of lag in both those cars. I suppose if you are used to nothing but turbo motors, then you may not see it. But coming from high torque N/A motors, it's VERY noticeable.

davidadavila

yea 4100 seems really heavy....i really cant see where all that weight goes in that car....that a n ongoing problem with cars theses days....i really dont mind the weight that much...i have a 2005 hemi magnum and i can still feel it go with my 3.08 gears....i dont know why they have to have all these sheetmetal panels now a days.....outer skin should be like the vettes dude period......and the camaro should go 2 seaters instead of 2+2....i dont even remeber the last time there was somebody in my backseat......people need to learn how to drive more safetly...making laws that turn cars into tanks just makes them that more inefficient......when cars get heavier drunk drivers get more lethal...

ive seent those nascar guys flipover a gazilian times with roll cages at 300 million miles an hour and survive with their seatbelts......i dont know very much abou car safety..... but just by using logic...u can see that those cars are lighter and can stand lots of abuse...

jwindbigler

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Thats not the story that I read. I bought one of those LS how to books, and thats what it said that they were rated for.