1fastz

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According to GM the camaro will be having the flex fuel system thus giving us pretty good gas mileage for the power. I already know a few people that are ready to buy one. And they dont need their mommies/daddies to co-sign for them neither.

98 T/A raptor

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If you compare those number's with the LS2 gto they ain't that far apart so the camaro that is said to be lighter and have more power shouldn't have a problem with those two.
But the problem with the camaro is we dont know enough about it.

COD02SS

Flex fuel? E85? Ever see some E85 ratings?

Blakbird24

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I have...and when tuned properly, E85 does about 20% better than gas in both fuel economy and power. It's the engines that are conservatively tuned for gas that really suck when you throw in E85.

Basically, offering the flex-fuel option gives me the ability to decide from the get-go what fuel i want to use. If I choose E85, I will get the car tuned for it and run nothing but E85. Being able to do that right from the factory is a great incentive to purchase. Saves me the money of converting a regular motor over to E85-compliance.

nanokpsi

Regardelss of tuning, E85 costs you about 20% decrease in mpg. However, it is ~20% cheaper and is a much better performance fuel. Turbo cars can run 30psi on e85 no problem

The Manalishi

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The war I am talking about is the Camaro comes out in 09. They are all ready saying the Mustang is getting a new engine with a lot more power. The Challenger will be out also with several versions of the Hemi and you can safely assume the power will also be increased to keep up. Sounds like a HP war to me, if you have 400 we'll do 410 and so on. This will be short lived since no has made any secret that the Camaro and Challenger are a single generation with no redesign at the end of their lives. The Mustang who knows. I will be getting my Camaro when it comes out. Gas prices aren't going to drop and we'll just have to deal with it. Live doesn't stop for me because of gas prices. BTW in response to the parents co signing I make more money than my parents and haven't lived at home for over 20 years. I know quite a few others here that are older than me and have plenty of disposable income for a new toy.

Carlitos

I've been looking forward to the new Camaro for a long time, but damn!, that Challenger is a good looking car! It's gonna be a toss up for me as to which one I'll end up getting.

I have read rumors of the LS9 or something similar going into the Z28 version. Can't remember where, though.

Again, I can't remember where I read it, but I recall rumors that the Z28 will be top dog, not the SS. Supposedly this is how it was back in the day.

Count me in. Gas prices suck, and will only get worse, but I'm NOT going to let that stop me from enjoying a sunny day drive! I may not drive it as often, but I will most certainly drive it.

BTW... doesn't GM have the displacement on demand technology. I think it's very feasible for them to apply this to most of their vehicles with big gas-guzzling motors.

'Los

The Manalishi

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Gm does have displacement on demand. They have had it for a lot of years in fact if you count Cadillacs 8,6,4 system of the 80's. Here is an interesting read if you have some spare time.
http://www.superchevy.com/technical/...dod/index.html

Carlitos

Good find! Very interesting stuff.

'Los

JD_AMG

Your high 13 second car only gets 28mpg? Aw, man that sucks... My low 13 second car gets that kind of gas mileage...

TriShield

You get 28mpg sitting in traffic on the 10, 202 or 101?

Cobra Commander

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$40K + 13 second slips = fail

Carlitos

$40k + 13 second slips =

Touch screen Navigation, 8 way power Leather seats, heated seats, 9.3 Gb Music Box hard drive, automatic climate control, 14 inch brakes with 4 piston calipers, 10 inch subwoofers in each door, driver position memory for seating position, side view mirrors, and steering wheel tilt and telescope, zero-lift aerodynamics and .29 Cd, HID bi-xenon headlights, rear view monitor, 7 year 100k mile warranty, etc...

= a very well rounded 13 second car.

Don't get me wrong, I still miss my SS, but these are two totally different animals. Heck, I bet if Nissan left all of these options off of the car, they probably could've save a few hundred pounds LOL. I guess I could've gotten an '08 Corvette Z51, but then I would only have two seats.

'Los

Cobra Commander

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All that junk means nothing for someone like myself. I want it to perform in a straight line and not break.

onebaddakota

That's what I thought about the Chally- two doors and shorter than the charger/300. The problem is the new crash safety standards mandated more metal for side impact protection. I wouldn't bet the farm on 3800lbs. That said, GM usually does find a way to make it's performance cars lighter than the competition.

Carlitos

If all you want is a car that reliably performs in a straight line for less money, there are better options than '99 TAs. I'm sure, however, that you have your car because you want something more than just a straight line performer. Saying that a $40k 13 second car = fail is like me saying the $20-25k you have invested in your TA for just a 10.6 timeslip and nothing else = fail. People go much faster for much less every day.

BTW... with a 7 year 100k mile warranty, I'm not too worried about stuff breaking.

Just my .02 as the devil's (aka Riceboy) advocate.

'Los

LS1LT1

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Performance? Fuel economy?

My Corvette has gotten as much as 31 miles per gallon (as shown on the Driver Information Center) and ran a best of 12.21 at almost 116mph in the 1/4 mile in stock trim...but it costs.
GM/Chevrolet will not disappoint with the new Camaro.