Motor Trend Comparo - Dodge Challenger SRT8 vs Ford Mustang GT500
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According to GM the camaro will be having the flex fuel system thus giving us pretty good gas mileage for the power. I already know a few people that are ready to buy one. And they dont need their mommies/daddies to co-sign for them neither.
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If you compare those number's with the LS2 gto they ain't that far apart so the camaro that is said to be lighter and have more power shouldn't have a problem with those two.
But the problem with the camaro is we dont know enough about it.
But the problem with the camaro is we dont know enough about it.
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Flex fuel? E85? Ever see some E85 ratings?
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I have...and when tuned properly, E85 does about 20% better than gas in both fuel economy and power. It's the engines that are conservatively tuned for gas that really suck when you throw in E85.
Basically, offering the flex-fuel option gives me the ability to decide from the get-go what fuel i want to use. If I choose E85, I will get the car tuned for it and run nothing but E85. Being able to do that right from the factory is a great incentive to purchase. Saves me the money of converting a regular motor over to E85-compliance.
Basically, offering the flex-fuel option gives me the ability to decide from the get-go what fuel i want to use. If I choose E85, I will get the car tuned for it and run nothing but E85. Being able to do that right from the factory is a great incentive to purchase. Saves me the money of converting a regular motor over to E85-compliance.
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What is this "War" you're talking about? There's not going to be any damn war with 4 dollar a gallon gas. I once considered a camaro or challenger but **** THAT with these gas prices. I'll take my slow high 13 second car that gets 28mpg over any 12 second gas guzzler getting 20mpg.
You seriously think people are going to doll out 30K plus for a car that gets 20mpg? hahahahhahahahahahah
You seriously think people are going to doll out 30K plus for a car that gets 20mpg? hahahahhahahahahahah
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I've been looking forward to the new Camaro for a long time, but damn!, that Challenger is a good looking car! It's gonna be a toss up for me as to which one I'll end up getting.
I have read rumors of the LS9 or something similar going into the Z28 version. Can't remember where, though.
Again, I can't remember where I read it, but I recall rumors that the Z28 will be top dog, not the SS. Supposedly this is how it was back in the day.
Count me in. Gas prices suck, and will only get worse, but I'm NOT going to let that stop me from enjoying a sunny day drive! I may not drive it as often, but I will most certainly drive it.
BTW... doesn't GM have the displacement on demand technology. I think it's very feasible for them to apply this to most of their vehicles with big gas-guzzling motors.
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Um...yeah. Me, for one.
Wanna start a thread to see how many members of this board would? Guarantee you more than half. These cars aren't meant to sell 200k plus per year. They don't expect to sell more than maybe 30k V8s a year. So, to answer your question completely, yes I (and many others) seriously think people will buy these cars.
Wanna start a thread to see how many members of this board would? Guarantee you more than half. These cars aren't meant to sell 200k plus per year. They don't expect to sell more than maybe 30k V8s a year. So, to answer your question completely, yes I (and many others) seriously think people will buy these cars.
BTW... doesn't GM have the displacement on demand technology. I think it's very feasible for them to apply this to most of their vehicles with big gas-guzzling motors.
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I've been looking forward to the new Camaro for a long time, but damn!, that Challenger is a good looking car! It's gonna be a toss up for me as to which one I'll end up getting.
I have read rumors of the LS9 or something similar going into the Z28 version. Can't remember where, though.
Again, I can't remember where I read it, but I recall rumors that the Z28 will be top dog, not the SS. Supposedly this is how it was back in the day.
Count me in. Gas prices suck, and will only get worse, but I'm NOT going to let that stop me from enjoying a sunny day drive! I may not drive it as often, but I will most certainly drive it.
BTW... doesn't GM have the displacement on demand technology. I think it's very feasible for them to apply this to most of their vehicles with big gas-guzzling motors.
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I have read rumors of the LS9 or something similar going into the Z28 version. Can't remember where, though.
Again, I can't remember where I read it, but I recall rumors that the Z28 will be top dog, not the SS. Supposedly this is how it was back in the day.
Count me in. Gas prices suck, and will only get worse, but I'm NOT going to let that stop me from enjoying a sunny day drive! I may not drive it as often, but I will most certainly drive it.
BTW... doesn't GM have the displacement on demand technology. I think it's very feasible for them to apply this to most of their vehicles with big gas-guzzling motors.
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Gm does have displacement on demand. They have had it for a lot of years in fact if you count Cadillacs 8,6,4 system of the 80's. Here is an interesting read if you have some spare time.
http://www.superchevy.com/technical/...dod/index.html
http://www.superchevy.com/technical/...dod/index.html
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What is this "War" you're talking about? There's not going to be any damn war with 4 dollar a gallon gas. I once considered a camaro or challenger but **** THAT with these gas prices. I'll take my slow high 13 second car that gets 28mpg over any 12 second gas guzzler getting 20mpg.
You seriously think people are going to doll out 30K plus for a car that gets 20mpg? hahahahhahahahahahah
You seriously think people are going to doll out 30K plus for a car that gets 20mpg? hahahahhahahahahahah
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$40k + 13 second slips =
Touch screen Navigation, 8 way power Leather seats, heated seats, 9.3 Gb Music Box hard drive, automatic climate control, 14 inch brakes with 4 piston calipers, 10 inch subwoofers in each door, driver position memory for seating position, side view mirrors, and steering wheel tilt and telescope, zero-lift aerodynamics and .29 Cd, HID bi-xenon headlights, rear view monitor, 7 year 100k mile warranty, etc...
= a very well rounded 13 second car.
Don't get me wrong, I still miss my SS, but these are two totally different animals. Heck, I bet if Nissan left all of these options off of the car, they probably could've save a few hundred pounds LOL. I guess I could've gotten an '08 Corvette Z51, but then I would only have two seats.
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Touch screen Navigation, 8 way power Leather seats, heated seats, 9.3 Gb Music Box hard drive, automatic climate control, 14 inch brakes with 4 piston calipers, 10 inch subwoofers in each door, driver position memory for seating position, side view mirrors, and steering wheel tilt and telescope, zero-lift aerodynamics and .29 Cd, HID bi-xenon headlights, rear view monitor, 7 year 100k mile warranty, etc...
= a very well rounded 13 second car.
Don't get me wrong, I still miss my SS, but these are two totally different animals. Heck, I bet if Nissan left all of these options off of the car, they probably could've save a few hundred pounds LOL. I guess I could've gotten an '08 Corvette Z51, but then I would only have two seats.
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$40k + 13 second slips =
Touch screen Navigation, 8 way power Leather seats, heated seats, 9.3 Gb Music Box hard drive, automatic climate control, 14 inch brakes with 4 piston calipers, 10 inch subwoofers in each door, driver position memory for seating position, side view mirrors, and steering wheel tilt and telescope, zero-lift aerodynamics and .29 Cd, HID bi-xenon headlights, rear view monitor, 7 year 100k mile warranty, etc...
= a very well rounded 13 second car.
Don't get me wrong, I still miss my SS, but these are two totally different animals. Heck, I bet if Nissan left all of these options off of the car, they probably could've save a few hundred pounds LOL. I guess I could've gotten an '08 Corvette Z51, but then I would only have two seats.
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Touch screen Navigation, 8 way power Leather seats, heated seats, 9.3 Gb Music Box hard drive, automatic climate control, 14 inch brakes with 4 piston calipers, 10 inch subwoofers in each door, driver position memory for seating position, side view mirrors, and steering wheel tilt and telescope, zero-lift aerodynamics and .29 Cd, HID bi-xenon headlights, rear view monitor, 7 year 100k mile warranty, etc...
= a very well rounded 13 second car.
Don't get me wrong, I still miss my SS, but these are two totally different animals. Heck, I bet if Nissan left all of these options off of the car, they probably could've save a few hundred pounds LOL. I guess I could've gotten an '08 Corvette Z51, but then I would only have two seats.
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The G8 weighs 4000-4100lbs with four doors. The Camaro is the same platform and a very similiar driveline with two less doors. With no other purposeful weight reduction involved, we can count on about 3800lbs max. If they can be clever and shave another 100lbs off that, that would be a huge advantage against these two rivals.
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BTW... with a 7 year 100k mile warranty, I'm not too worried about stuff breaking.
Just my .02 as the devil's (aka Riceboy) advocate.
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Performance? Fuel economy?
My Corvette has gotten as much as 31 miles per gallon (as shown on the Driver Information Center) and ran a best of 12.21 at almost 116mph in the 1/4 mile in stock trim...but it costs.
GM/Chevrolet will not disappoint with the new Camaro.
My Corvette has gotten as much as 31 miles per gallon (as shown on the Driver Information Center) and ran a best of 12.21 at almost 116mph in the 1/4 mile in stock trim...but it costs.
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GM/Chevrolet will not disappoint with the new Camaro.
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