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Old 06-13-2010, 05:48 PM
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Default CTS-V rear diff carnage - another one bites the dust

So my diff grenaded the other night. No, it wasn't a 5k clutch drop either. It broke as the car was getting under way from a stop. It split the case from front to back, as you can see in the pics. The bolts that hold the front were bent, stripped, or broken and that seems to be where the breakage originated.

Not sure yet what route to take fixing it. Find a case and swap in as many of my good parts that there are? Is it the same carrier as a regular CTS? Why can't there be a reasonably priced good fix for this, instead of putting another inferior piece in! My diff had a slight whine to it, but was pretty good otherwise and the whine wasn't horribly noticeable.

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Original dif? Mileage?
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looks like it broke in the exact same spots as mine. Reason why I bought a pinion brace even though some say they arent good.

Good luck with your fix, I though about swapping but ended up just finding a used diff online and went with that.

But If you have the new cash the new gen diffs for 1600 are the ****. Much stronger.
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Originally Posted by DoctorNick
Original dif? Mileage?
Original diff. 70k.
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Originally Posted by maxspeed05V
looks like it broke in the exact same spots as mine. Reason why I bought a pinion brace even though some say they arent good.

Good luck with your fix, I though about swapping but ended up just finding a used diff online and went with that.

But If you have the new cash the new gen diffs for 1600 are the ****. Much stronger.

Ironically I had a pinion brace on until a couple months ago. Left it off when I switched diff bushings, thinking it'd be okay since I don't beat on the car much.

Maybe it would have saved it. Anyone know of any used diffs laying around?
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The non-V versions of the diff can be had for $200 on ebay. Swap your internals in and you should be golden...make sure you get one from 06-07 CTS or SRX

EDIT: this should be a feasible option, but i dont think anyone has tried. One guy is doing it now (check out the other thread).
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If you plan on keeping the car just buy the newest gen diff and an anti hop axle. This should hold pretty good. Was the car stock?
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Yeah, I plan to keep the car until the '09+ cars get a little cheaper. If I could find a cheapish used one I would throw that in, otherwise I'll order a new one and go from there. Part number is 25873498 according to what I'm finding. GMParts Direct has it for $1399 or so plus their retarded shipping charges... looking to see what I can find better than that.

Car is stock aside from BMR wheelhop kit (bushings only - no bar) and wheels. (C5 is my play car)

Rarely if ever got any wheel hop out of it.

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Originally Posted by Higgs
Yeah, I plan to keep the car until the '09+ cars get a little cheaper. If I could find a cheapish used one I would throw that in, otherwise I'll order a new one and go from there. Part number is 25873498 according to what I'm finding. Scoggin has it for $1399 or so plus their retarded shipping charges... looking to see what I can find better than that.

Car is stock aside from BMR wheelhop kit (bushings only - no bar) and wheels. (C5 is my play car)

Rarely if ever got any wheel hop out of it.
I think luke at lindsey cadillac has the best price on parts. Call him , tell him you got his number from the forums.

If you want to buy used cleveland pickapart has some. But new is always better.
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EDIT: you're right, I was looking at it wrong. The pinion is climbing the ring gear, but the breakage is still at this location.

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Actually the pinion is trying to climb. That is why it lifts the top of the case. As the tires meet resistance the pinion is trying to spin the ring gear but it can't. The case gives way and the pinion walks up the ring gear instead of spinning it.
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Yeah I think the pinion area is where the breakage started.

Ordered a new diff yesterday... supposed to be here in a week or so. When this diff is out maybe the case would work for mocking up a girdle?
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With it being broke, it would be difficult to make an accuate template. Now the new diff would be perfect for such a task.
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Originally Posted by Higgs
Yeah I think the pinion area is where the breakage started.

Ordered a new diff yesterday... supposed to be here in a week or so. When this diff is out maybe the case would work for mocking up a girdle?
So how much are they going for these days? and who gave you the best price?
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GMPartsdirect has them for $1399 plus shipping. Luke at Lindsay quoted $1615 plus $75 to ship. Couldn't find any used ones anywhere.
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Originally Posted by Higgs
GMPartsdirect has them for $1399 plus shipping. Luke at Lindsay quoted $1615 plus $75 to ship. Couldn't find any used ones anywhere.
nice price , did they kill you on shipping?

I remeber scoggin wants like 200$ to ship a clutch , never orderd from GMParts though
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GMPartsDirect usually does rape on shipping
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GMPartsDirect will show you shipping if you go to check out. I seemed to remember a little over $300 to CA when I priced just a Diff.
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Screw GMPartsDirect! Those bastards!

When you consider all the costs, Luke will be cheaper and is FAR more trustworthy.
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GMpartsdirect tells you on the site that that is where they make there profit which is why shipping is so high. Literally look at the terms and conditions it tells you. Hence why **** is 10 dollars and shipping is 30.


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