9chevy7

hey guys, my buddy just bought a car for his girlfriend. he was gonna buy a c350 for her but i convinced him to get a c63 amg instead. i havent seen it or driven it yet as hes in chicago and im in montreal, but i cant wait. im a gm guy at heart but i love that car. if i had the money thats what i would have bought instead of my maggied 05 v. i love my car, i really do, but the c63 is a beast and with a tune, they run in the high 11's and have no trouble with wheel hop. i know the tunes are crazy exspensive ($3500) but they unlock all the power that the motor makes naturaly. they de-tune it for the c-class from 510hp - 451hp. the only one con of the car is theres no manual gear box. its a paddle shift.
i bought my car late this fall and never had a chance to get to the track, so i dont know what times ill run, but i figure low 12's with street tires and easy launch. the c63 should run 12.6's all day. i will try to convince him to get it tuned so he can run in the 11's. but what i want to know is if my car is making around 580hp and were similar in weight, from a roll on the street will i still be able to keep up to him? i know on paper it shouldnt be a problem but are our cars just bad in the 1/4 mile just because of wheel hop? i know my car pulls like crazy through 4th gear and into 5th but so will his.
just curious guys, thats it. hes not talking smack or anything, he comes to me for all his car advice, like i said i convinced him to get the amg. i know if all goes well for him this year, he'll be getting a porsche next year for sure and ill be pushing him to get a gt2 which is another of my favorites or convince him to save some money and buy a zr1!!! either is good with me.

itsslow98

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by 580hp i hope you mean at the crank. the Vs run great from a roll but the higher you go the more hell pull you IMO. I think hell edge you out even stock.

9chevy7

ya i mean 580hp crank, as the amg is 451 crank. how would his car pull on me top end in stock form? theres a huge power difference and not much wieght difference. and i know stock the amg is governed at 155mph. if he gets the tune im sure itll do well over 180 as ones with tune and exhaust trap over 180mph in the standing mile.

itsslow98

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what year is it?

9chevy7

i believe its a 2010. really not sure though. hes gonna send me pics soon.

itsslow98

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they are trapping 116 no problem. I think hell give you a hell of a run for your money. what are your mods besides the maggie?

liqidvenom

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it depends on the race ( like from what mph to what). it might be alot closer then you think. even closer if you are not fully sure how much power you are able to put down. stock a c63 can move very well.


some people are going to come in here and say they beat a c63 when they were bone stock or header only which i would find hard to believe.

9chevy7

just whats in my sig. i was thinking of doing headers this winter but not sure yet.

from videos ive seen, they trap 114 stock. so if he does tune it, he will rape me at the track for sure, but what about a street race from a roll like 40-120? no wheel hop!!!

itsslow98

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hell most likely pull a car on you. Your probably making about 440rwhp if you have a dyno tune, if your on the stock magnuson tune it came with your really down some power.

9chevy7

i havent had the car dyno tuned. i bought it as is and the guy i bought it from didnt know either. it runs really strong. i would think its making around 475rwhp. just with a maggie they usually make 440rwhp no? plus from what ive read the single mass flywheel is good for 20rwhp. maybe im wrong, only a dyno will tell. anyhow i found a c63 on dragtimes, that has a tune only and ran 11.640 120mph. and his car made 425rwhp and 386rwtq. how is there such a difference in times?

liqidvenom

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i think stock you will have a tough race on your hands. if you do something like a 60-130/160 pull you would get hurt rather badly.

from 40 you might have to get a decent jump because that 7spd trans would have him always near a nice part of his power band.

9chevy7

wow. i thought he was gonna give me a tough 1/4 race. but i never imagined from a roll he would beat me stock. im pretty sure my car is stronger than a stock v2 and the v2 beats the c63 no? and from dragtimes, stock c63 are trapping 110-113mph.

liqidvenom

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have you raced a v2 yet? not sure you would be able to beat one. but i only go on actual race results not paper racing.

i know i ran a c63.... it wasnt pretty.

itsslow98

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a stock V1 with a maggie and clutch will not beat a bone stock V2 in any race you try. Your overrating what you have in my opinion. Yes the torque makes the car feel fast but i think youll be rather discouraged when you run your buddy.

.Houdini.

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^yeah that

9chevy7

i really didnt expect all of this. not in a really bad way, im just very excited not only race against him but to actually drive his car this summer.

but what i still dont get guys, is how does a similarly wieghted car with 100hp less not only make a really close race, but even beat one. and its not like my car makes alot of top end high reving hp, its maggied with a wicked torque curve, even more than the c63.

like i said i cant wait till the summer now. looks like im gonna have to get headers for sure and maybe a smaller pulley just to keep up. oh well i dont mind losing to a friend.

big reg

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I think alot are over estimating the C63. They trap around 110-113 on a good day. Stock V1 trap around 109 on a good day. With the Maggie you probably have 100rwhp more than stock and a **** ton of torque. I dont see you having a problem with a stock C63 from a roll.

Maggied V1's with headers and a cam trap around 116-118 but most dont even hook for the first 100+ft or just hop so you have to roll into the throttle. From a 2nd gear roll I am willing to bet you will do better than most are giving you credit for.

A C63 with Headers and a tune ($8250 ) traps around 119. There are several vids of one with these mods losing to a V2 6speed that was stock. I dont know where guys are getting 114+ traps for a stock C63 from. Oh well bench racing is retarded anyway.

vmapper

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About 100 too high when discussing a stock pulley stock maggie setup.
typical is 440ish at the shop here.
External mods, headers etc smaller pulley would put you around 480. Meth to creep up a tad over 500.... Your not going to get much more than that.

Why and who has a setup installed and not dyno tested to Verify their tune is running in proper order, (and to get numbers when your at it)
?? - I usually come to the conclusion its because they know something that you as a buyer wouldn't or may not like.


I am going to say as others do, your feeling the maggie tq which is deceiving in thinking you have more than you actually do. HP is what matters once you get going, and remember, your ripping through gears at 5800-6100rpm
Good luck on the race...
(I wouldn't put $$ down on it though)

07CTS-V

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I agree with Reg. You'll win. I punished a stock CLK63 AMG from 45-120.

Domsz06

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if you don't have heads and a cam on your v1, I don't think your making that much hp... Not sure, but think like others said you maybe shooting high....

If your on the street though, anything can go.... Heck you could have 200 more hp, but mess up and get smoked....

Gulf M3 was making what 510 rwhp with , maggie, head, cams, headers and ran 12.0's

here is his dyno....https://ls1tech.com/forums/13373982-post8.html