Staggered Tires + HR Springs + MM Spacers = Rubbing issues?
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So I want to lower my ride as to eliminate a good bit of the fender gap. My car presently is wearing the following tire sizes on OEM wheels:
What I'd like to do is install a set of H&R Sport Springs and a set of MightyMousespacers. What I specifically want to know is, will the widened rear stance have enough clearance without rubbing the fender? Do I need to worry about any fender rubbing on the front?
Thanks for the help.
- Front - 245/45R18
- Rear - 275/40R18
What I'd like to do is install a set of H&R Sport Springs and a set of MightyMousespacers. What I specifically want to know is, will the widened rear stance have enough clearance without rubbing the fender? Do I need to worry about any fender rubbing on the front?
Thanks for the help.
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tough one, good luck though ![Happy](https://ls1tech.com/forums/images/smilies/LS1Tech/gr_stretch.gif)
the front shouldn't rub, the rear you kinda between a rock and a hard place since putting wider tires on. there is tons of room to the inside, not so much to the outside.
heres a pic of mine when it was still on stock height tires.. yours would be balooning about 1/2" past these give or take.
http://fastrides.com/photos/mm/image.../original.aspx
http://fastrides.com/photos/mm/image.../original.aspx
fyi this is lower than what hr will put you at, not sure how much different tho
my vote is get rid of the wider tires, they aren't doing you a bit of good
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the front shouldn't rub, the rear you kinda between a rock and a hard place since putting wider tires on. there is tons of room to the inside, not so much to the outside.
heres a pic of mine when it was still on stock height tires.. yours would be balooning about 1/2" past these give or take.
http://fastrides.com/photos/mm/image.../original.aspx
http://fastrides.com/photos/mm/image.../original.aspx
fyi this is lower than what hr will put you at, not sure how much different tho
my vote is get rid of the wider tires, they aren't doing you a bit of good
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tough one, good luck though ![Happy](https://ls1tech.com/forums/images/smilies/LS1Tech/gr_stretch.gif)
the front shouldn't rub, the rear you kinda between a rock and a hard place since putting wider tires on. there is tons of room to the inside, not so much to the outside.
my vote is get rid of the wider tires, they aren't doing you a bit of good
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the front shouldn't rub, the rear you kinda between a rock and a hard place since putting wider tires on. there is tons of room to the inside, not so much to the outside.
my vote is get rid of the wider tires, they aren't doing you a bit of good
Assuming you had 275's out back, H&R springs, and MM spacers?
I'm totally down with having the fenders rolled, altho don't really wanna do it myself. I haven't had the best of luck finding a shop in the Denver metro area to do it.
Seems like rolling the fender is the best option here. If you're running 295's, my 275's should tuck nicely. You have any pics of your setup?
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I have 2 recent threads that you'd probably like to read (and see pictures). One is 'h&r's lowered rear too much' and the other is titled something to the effect of 'H&R's + Linea corse wheels = rubbing'. Have a look.
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i am on H&Rs with MM Spacers, sitting on GM Accessory with 245/45 in front and 275/40 in rear.i had a minor rubbing issues when i frist did th springs and spacer. but this was totally my fault. i over tighten the spacer giving me an extra 1/8" drop on the right rear. fixed that issue, and rolled the fenders, and havent had an issue with it since.
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i am on H&Rs with MM Spacers, sitting on GM Accessory with 245/45 in front and 275/40 in rear.i had a minor rubbing issues when i frist did th springs and spacer. but this was totally my fault. i over tighten the spacer giving me an extra 1/8" drop on the right rear. fixed that issue, and rolled the fenders, and havent had an issue with it since.
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paint it held up fine, only area that got damaged was the part where the wheel was catching on the lip.
i will take some picture of the lip when i get home.
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An update incase anyone's watching this for an outcome, or incase anyone comes across it in a search....
After trailing arms and the soon-to-be-known 'edmod' (3/8 rubber homemade 'washer' under rear spring perches to boost up the 'too low' H&R's), everything is awesome! No more 'reverse rake', no more fender rubbing on tires, no more wheels rubbing on trailing arms, and no more crappy feeling cut OEM springs.
I'm still going to roll the fenders, but I'm no longer in any hurry to do so.
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After trailing arms and the soon-to-be-known 'edmod' (3/8 rubber homemade 'washer' under rear spring perches to boost up the 'too low' H&R's), everything is awesome! No more 'reverse rake', no more fender rubbing on tires, no more wheels rubbing on trailing arms, and no more crappy feeling cut OEM springs.
I'm still going to roll the fenders, but I'm no longer in any hurry to do so.
![](http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy71/wes8398/d5e83c0e.jpg)
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![](http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy71/wes8398/2c00654f.jpg)
![](http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy71/wes8398/e6973662.jpg)
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since no one has ever seen my car (lol).... i has a staggered, but slammed on coilovers, not HRs
360 forged
F 20x9 245/30/20 Nitto Invo
R 20x10.5 285/25/20 Nitto Invo
![](https://farm6.static.flickr.com/5196/5866809981_0d821817bc_b.jpg)
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yes fenders are aggressively rolled as you can see how flush the rear sits up against the fender.
360 forged
F 20x9 245/30/20 Nitto Invo
R 20x10.5 285/25/20 Nitto Invo
![](https://farm6.static.flickr.com/5196/5866809981_0d821817bc_b.jpg)
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yes fenders are aggressively rolled as you can see how flush the rear sits up against the fender.
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Also, I would strongly recommend going with the GC Coilover Kit. The H&R springs are what, $250 for the set, for an additional $250 you can have a huge range of adjustability and then you will never have to worry about rubbing. Yeah, the GC makes some noise (you will have to add at least a 1/4" of washers to the top of the rear shocks so that they can be tightened down enough to snug up the rear shock and not allow a thunking sound, but that is a really cheap and minor fix), but any downsides are well worth the adjustability. If you can afford $250 for just springs, you ought to be able to afford $500 total for the entire kit, and you even get to choose your spring rates. (I would go with 600 lb/in front and 650 lb/in rear).
The huge problem with lowering springs only is that if they are too stiff, you are stuck with that spring rate. If they are as soft as stock, you will get almost zero performance increase out of them. If the ride is not right, you are stuck with that too. I would never take that chance, I like to be able to adjust until I'm happy.
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Hell, if we're doubling expenses so easily, then we should all just be spending twice what the GC's are worth and getting 'proper' coilovers like KW's etc. Haha
JK
I see where you're coming from, but double the price isn't within everyone's idea of a reasonable price for a given mod. H&R and Eibach have been making lowering springs for a long time, and I think they're pretty decent at giving the best compromise between drivability and performance at a relatively low cost. Since I've compared both, proper lowering springs are leaps and bounds better than cut OEM springs at least.
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I see where you're coming from, but double the price isn't within everyone's idea of a reasonable price for a given mod. H&R and Eibach have been making lowering springs for a long time, and I think they're pretty decent at giving the best compromise between drivability and performance at a relatively low cost. Since I've compared both, proper lowering springs are leaps and bounds better than cut OEM springs at least.