Oil Cooler from V2 to V1?
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Oil Cooler from V2 to V1?
Hey, I've been seeing CTS-V2 oil cooler showing up on eBay and wondered if anyone had any idea how you might fit one on a V1. Example auction:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/GM-AC-DELCO-...-/290891122796
http://www.ebay.com/itm/GM-AC-DELCO-...-/290891122796
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Are you sure that's off a V2? I would think the GM Truck (2500 +) oil cooler adapter and lines would be a pretty good solution for the V1's since they fit tight against the block. They are plentiful and are 1/2 ID.
Here is a pic: http://parts.nalleygmc.com/showAssem...ssembly=431352
Here is a pic: http://parts.nalleygmc.com/showAssem...ssembly=431352
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Hey, I've been seeing CTS-V2 oil cooler showing up on eBay and wondered if anyone had any idea how you might fit one on a V1. Example auction:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/GM-AC-DELCO-...-/290891122796
http://www.darinmorgan.com/temp/oilcooler.jpg
http://www.ebay.com/itm/GM-AC-DELCO-...-/290891122796
http://www.darinmorgan.com/temp/oilcooler.jpg
I would think the GM Truck (2500 +) oil cooler adapter and lines would be a pretty good solution for the V1's since they fit tight against the block. They are plentiful and are 1/2 ID.
Here is a pic: http://parts.nalleygmc.com/showAssem...ssembly=431352
Here is a pic: http://parts.nalleygmc.com/showAssem...ssembly=431352
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If I ever get my car going again I plan on using "http://www.improvedracing.com/oil-cooler-sensor-adapters/low-profile-oil-cooler-adapter-for-ls-series-engine-p-68.html?osCsid=8c4bf747b14b19fa0a2326f8bfe77449" this to add an oil cooler, just need about 10feet or so of -8AN hose and the cooler itself, which the one you looking at wount work due to header clearance issues. I figured a DIY kit would be about $300.
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If I ever get my car going again I plan on using "http://www.improvedracing.com/oil-cooler-sensor-adapters/low-profile-oil-cooler-adapter-for-ls-series-engine-p-68.html?osCsid=8c4bf747b14b19fa0a2326f8bfe77449" this to add an oil cooler, just need about 10feet or so of -8AN hose and the cooler itself, which the one you looking at wount work due to header clearance issues. I figured a DIY kit would be about $300.
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With the Kooks headers you've got, you'll find that there's not much room to run the lines from that sort of adapter. I tried it with the TPIS adapter (a bit thicker than the Improved Racing one, but the ports seem to be oriented essentially the same) and wasn't satisfied with the clearance I would be able to get between the very hot Kooks header primaries and the lines coming off the adapter. Some idea of the challenges here and here.
I would recommend -10AN hose.
By the time you buy the adapter, hose, hose ends (the angled ones are expensive) and a good cooler I think you'll be over your $300 mark. And if you add in a thermostat (which is probably prudent on a street car) you'll really be over the $300 mark.
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I was counting the adapter at 130, 50 bucks worth of hose, 2 fittings for the cooler at @$10 each, and 100 for a generic mount yourself oil cooler. Like I said ball park. And what the hell would I add an oil temp sensor for when my car already has one. TO me if it has a cooler then its cooling the oil somewhat.
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Thermostat is to prevent the flow of oil through the cooler until the oil in the engine is hot enough to need additional cooling. This is a desirable for daily drivers to get oil up to temp 180-210. Another option used is to block air to the fins during daily drives making the cooler less effective.
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Who the hell said anything about adding an oil temp sensor? Your car already has one, why would I tell you to add another?
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Thermostat/ temp sensor
My eyes are deceiving me.
Yes a thermostat would be nice, but dont know that I would have to run one. It only takes a few minutes of driving to get oil temps up, and if I am easy on it until then I am ok with it. As far as fitting, the curved ones were about $13 where as the straight were maybe $5-8 at local speed shop when I added the remote recirculating vented catch can to my 9". So yes, angle fittings are more, so instead of $20 lets say @ $50 for fittings, and yes you would need 4, my oversight.
As far as thermostat, that adapter barely clears headers, and this
http://www.improvedracing.com/oil-co...ine-p-209.html
would likely cause clearance issues, but if you wanted a thermostat, how would one be added other than this
http://www.improvedracing.com/oil-co...tat-p-212.html
Yes a thermostat would be nice, but dont know that I would have to run one. It only takes a few minutes of driving to get oil temps up, and if I am easy on it until then I am ok with it. As far as fitting, the curved ones were about $13 where as the straight were maybe $5-8 at local speed shop when I added the remote recirculating vented catch can to my 9". So yes, angle fittings are more, so instead of $20 lets say @ $50 for fittings, and yes you would need 4, my oversight.
As far as thermostat, that adapter barely clears headers, and this
http://www.improvedracing.com/oil-co...ine-p-209.html
would likely cause clearance issues, but if you wanted a thermostat, how would one be added other than this
http://www.improvedracing.com/oil-co...tat-p-212.html
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My eyes are deceiving me.
Yes a thermostat would be nice, but dont know that I would have to run one. It only takes a few minutes of driving to get oil temps up, and if I am easy on it until then I am ok with it. As far as fitting, the curved ones were about $13 where as the straight were maybe $5-8 at local speed shop when I added the remote recirculating vented catch can to my 9". So yes, angle fittings are more, so instead of $20 lets say @ $50 for fittings, and yes you would need 4, my oversight.
As far as thermostat, that adapter barely clears headers, and this
http://www.improvedracing.com/oil-co...ine-p-209.html
would likely cause clearance issues, but if you wanted a thermostat, how would one be added other than this
http://www.improvedracing.com/oil-co...tat-p-212.html
Yes a thermostat would be nice, but dont know that I would have to run one. It only takes a few minutes of driving to get oil temps up, and if I am easy on it until then I am ok with it. As far as fitting, the curved ones were about $13 where as the straight were maybe $5-8 at local speed shop when I added the remote recirculating vented catch can to my 9". So yes, angle fittings are more, so instead of $20 lets say @ $50 for fittings, and yes you would need 4, my oversight.
As far as thermostat, that adapter barely clears headers, and this
http://www.improvedracing.com/oil-co...ine-p-209.html
would likely cause clearance issues, but if you wanted a thermostat, how would one be added other than this
http://www.improvedracing.com/oil-co...tat-p-212.html
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Considering a thermostat, and the higher fitting prices, as well as higher hose prices, It could really cost more like 5-600 to add an oil cooler.
As far as -8AN vs-10AN, it is a matter of personal preference. The smaller hose will help keep oil pressyure from taking a bigger drop, but if heavy track duty the flow may be necessary. I dont track, and prefer less drop in pressure so suggest the -8AN, which is still 5/8 ID
Fuzzy, have we sufficiently screwed up any plans or thoughts to use a V2 coler yet?
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Oh, yeah. I saw the V2 cooler as a bolt-on option that would provide a little extra cooling at a fraction of the cost and hassle of designing a full-sized system.
Presently, I plan to watch my oil temps as I continue to add power and make provisions to add a cooler as applicable.
Presently, I plan to watch my oil temps as I continue to add power and make provisions to add a cooler as applicable.
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...but if you wanted a thermostat, how would one be added other than this
http://www.improvedracing.com/oil-co...tat-p-212.html
http://www.improvedracing.com/oil-co...tat-p-212.html
As far as -8AN vs-10AN, it is a matter of personal preference. The smaller hose will help keep oil pressyure from taking a bigger drop, but if heavy track duty the flow may be necessary. I dont track, and prefer less drop in pressure so suggest the -8AN, which is still 5/8 ID
Oh, yeah. I saw the V2 cooler as a bolt-on option that would provide a little extra cooling at a fraction of the cost and hassle of designing a full-sized system.
Presently, I plan to watch my oil temps as I continue to add power and make provisions to add a cooler as applicable.
Presently, I plan to watch my oil temps as I continue to add power and make provisions to add a cooler as applicable.
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Actually, smaller hose causes more of a pressure drop, which is why I recommended 10AN. For a given length of hose, there will be 70-90% more pressure drop through 8AN than through 10AN. And 8AN is 1/2"; 10AN is 5/8". I agree it is personal preference, but I've seen a few examples where guys found a noticeable drop in oil pressure with 8AN and subsequently had to re-plumb their system with 10AN to get pressure back.
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I would also expect smaller lines to experience less pressure drop just like using thicker weight oil or adding any other blockage in any system raises relative pressure. Flow volume should be greater with the larger lines compared to the smaller lines even if less pressure is seen through the system.