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Old Feb 2, 2015 | 07:39 PM
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I live in sunny hot as hell Miami and i see my car hit 230 very often with the factory thermostat. I dont have much experience with the LS6 but that seems pretty high. should I be concerned?
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Old Feb 2, 2015 | 08:13 PM
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You should not be concerned, that is safely inside the designed operating temp.

The second fan turns on at 235F, so you should routinely see it cycle above 230F.

Modern cars run warm to reduce emissions.
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Old Feb 2, 2015 | 08:21 PM
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Do you have any plans for a tune? You can ask your tuner to turn your fans on a little sooner.
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Old Feb 2, 2015 | 08:46 PM
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I do not like mine running that hot. These motors all aluminum. I run a 160* thermostat but that really does not help idle temp. I also had tuner turn fans on earlier. Here in Houston on a 110* day I rarely get to 210*. I also added an Earls oil cooler. My oil was running way up some time to 350*. Mobil one is good for about 1/2 life at those temps. Now my oils runs about the same as water, 165* to 210*. I am happy with that. Oh yea I am on my 3rd set MM's due to heat. The under hood temps are out the roof on these old V's. I just like to run cooler if I can!
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Old Feb 3, 2015 | 09:47 AM
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Thats what i run too. in Miami also.
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Old Feb 3, 2015 | 11:01 AM
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My oil temp stated 10 degrees today. I didn't start the car. I took the train to work. LOL
I generally see around 210, 220ish on average. I don't worry much about 230, 240. I've never seen higher than that.
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Old Feb 3, 2015 | 12:56 PM
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I guess I bought my car with a 160*t-stat in it because I have never seen above 195. That includes living in Miami for a year.
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Old Feb 3, 2015 | 03:33 PM
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I suppose I could run it as is for now and have the fans tuned to kick on sooner when I get a tune.
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Originally Posted by ccomar
I do not like mine running that hot. These motors all aluminum. I just like to run cooler if I can!
Not sure why all aluminum has anything to do with 'not liking' it run that hot.
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Old Feb 3, 2015 | 04:29 PM
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Originally Posted by vmapper
Not sure why all aluminum has anything to do with 'not liking' it run that hot.
Yeah it's not like it's an iron block with aluminum heads.
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Old Feb 3, 2015 | 05:28 PM
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Originally Posted by ccomar
The under hood temps are out the roof on these old V's. I just like to run cooler if I can!
I took the weather stripping off the radiator cover and off the top of the cowl-firewall. It seems to have lowered under hood temps significantly and I haven't noticed any side affects from it...
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Old Feb 3, 2015 | 10:02 PM
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Here is why I made the statement I did regarding aluminum. enjoy the read.......

http://articles.latimes.com/1992-03-...uminum-engines

You also have to take into account I been messing with cars too long. The Aluminum LS motor is head and shoulders above anything we had in the 60's and 70's, but that is because of engineering not materials. Aluminum is light if designed right make for a strong casting, heat kills it strength and stability.
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Old Feb 4, 2015 | 12:49 AM
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Lol where did you dig up that old *** article??? 1992??? LA TIMES??? Yea cuz they are a metallurgical authority. Trust me, living in southern California, I see their horse **** articles ALL THE TIME. That rag will print anything to try and prove some obscure point. Not to mention, the aluminum block as a mass produced piece was still relatively young at that point. Aluminum was reserved for race cars and custom one off motors. Vettes were still 5 years away from an all aluminum motor in their base car. Most everything was iron. The viper was an iron block out of a truck. They started going aluminum to save weight and fuel. You probably know better than me that emissions standards in the 80s were horrific.

How bout we do this... Ask what motors are in Prototype Challenge cars in the Tudor endurance races? 6.2L sealed Chevy blocks. 450bhp all the same... Every single one... Daytona, 24hour race, trans failures, suspension failures, crashes, I don't remember one being retired due to an engine failure. The C5r, C6r, C7r, all aluminum blocks. The only blocks that are still cast iron these days are diesels. I really can't think of a new car that has a cast block that isn't a diesel. Its 23 years after that article was written. Trucks are different, but even most of them are getting aluminum blocks now for weight savings. Heck, the deltawing has been experimenting with a carbon fiber block... Carbon fiber with steel sleeves. Aluminum is old news now.

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Old Feb 4, 2015 | 04:45 AM
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Thats a bit high even for me...110c

I would flush your rad out, change your thermostat, use a 180, and dont bother tuning the fans.

use premixed 50/50 from caltex or another decent company, not gm. And then add a bottle of radiator relief from DEI.
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Old Feb 4, 2015 | 07:33 AM
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Originally Posted by ls1247
I took the weather stripping off the radiator cover and off the top of the cowl-firewall. It seems to have lowered under hood temps significantly and I haven't noticed any side affects from it...
I've read posts on several different car forums about people removing weatherstripping at the firewall to create low pressure and draw hot air from under the hood. It makes sense why it would work. But removing it at the radiator only allows air to bypass the radiator. Sure, it increases airflow under the hood and across the engine, but at what cost? Sealing the radiator against the hood is done to funnel as much air through the radiator as possible, regardless of under hood temperatures. Then there's the affected aerodynamics of the whole process, which is well above my pay grade and understanding.
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The base of the windshield is a high pressure area. The low pressure is underneath. If you remove the weatherstripping at the rear of the hood, you'll be drawing air in while you are moving. It may be drawn out and upward when sitting still but who knows by how much.

I think the cost of allowing air to move over the radiator instead of forcing it through is apparent and probably counterproductive. Sure the outside of your engine may be slightly cooler but the inside would be hotter.
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Originally Posted by Fweasel
....but at what cost?
Originally Posted by isis
I think the cost........
The real cost of this is the 5 minutes (or less) that it would take me to reinstall these pieces should theory turn to reality which I haven't seen as being the case in the 30k miles I've driven the car since trying this freebie.
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Originally Posted by ls1247
The real cost of this is the 5 minutes (or less) that it would take me to reinstall these pieces should theory turn to reality which I haven't seen as being the case in the 30k miles I've driven the car since trying this freebie.
The cost is reduced airflow through the radiator, the actual quantity is unknown (to me at least) but it wouldn't make sense to me to reduce underhood temps a few degrees at the cost of a less efficient cooling system (higher internal engine heat).
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Old Feb 4, 2015 | 08:00 PM
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Sorry for the old article. The OP asked about normal engine heat. I posted the an old article, OK I feel is still relevant, maybe it ain't. I also feel it is about as relevant as comparing our cars to multi-million USD operations of pro endurance racing. Most of the article in my link was from GM. IMHO 240* is too hot for a car with an aluminum motor or parts to run on the street and reliably get me back and forth to work. If I was on Team Cadillac the support engineers might make me feel better about that. Wishfully, one will read this thread and put our minds to ease regarding our cars.

I did take note of the weather stripping removal. I might try this and see once summer rolls around.

Definitely going to try something before I go head to head with Johnny O........ha!
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Originally Posted by isis
The cost is reduced airflow through the radiator, the actual quantity is unknown (to me at least) but it wouldn't make sense to me to reduce underhood temps a few degrees at the cost of a less efficient cooling system (higher internal engine heat).
Agreed.
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