Dyno And Tuning This Friday...
08-01-2008, 04:51 PM
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heres the dyno as promised ( 374rwhp/337 rwtq) car weight was
set at 4050 and made 2 pulls. i cant give a base line (stock)
as there was to much detonation to do a full pull. i'm glad i didnt
wait to get this done as the car was running very lean in stock
tune. my first pull was 361.1hp /324tq with first scan...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1F50vWFKcQc
set at 4050 and made 2 pulls. i cant give a base line (stock)
as there was to much detonation to do a full pull. i'm glad i didnt
wait to get this done as the car was running very lean in stock
tune. my first pull was 361.1hp /324tq with first scan...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1F50vWFKcQc
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heres the dyno as promised ( 374rwhp/337 rwtq) car weight was
set at 4050 and made 2 pulls. i cant give a base line (stock)
as there was to much detonation to do a full pull. i'm glad i didnt
wait to get this done as the car was running very lean in stock
tune. my first pull was 359.9hp /330tq with first scan...
set at 4050 and made 2 pulls. i cant give a base line (stock)
as there was to much detonation to do a full pull. i'm glad i didnt
wait to get this done as the car was running very lean in stock
tune. my first pull was 359.9hp /330tq with first scan...
maybe an expert can chime in and theorize a bit...
08-01-2008, 05:18 PM
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It's a mustang dyno, the operator enters all the variable info before he makes a run. He can make it read whatever he want's, pure and simple.
See post #13.
If the OP reads his dyno chart, he would see the 1st dyno run was rich, the last one was lean. These cars are fat as hell from the factory. If your "tuner" left it at 14.0 A/F and you beat on it, it's going to let go. So you never heard it rattle before the "tune". Or did you actually hear it rattle on the dyno, or is that what the tuner told you? Did he show you the scan showing Knock Retard? Those rwhp numbers and A/F alone are reason enough to doubt his ability to tune.
I have hp tuners, ask your tuner to email you your tune and I'll gladly review it for you. Of course, I could be blowing smoke.
See post #13.
If the OP reads his dyno chart, he would see the 1st dyno run was rich, the last one was lean. These cars are fat as hell from the factory. If your "tuner" left it at 14.0 A/F and you beat on it, it's going to let go. So you never heard it rattle before the "tune". Or did you actually hear it rattle on the dyno, or is that what the tuner told you? Did he show you the scan showing Knock Retard? Those rwhp numbers and A/F alone are reason enough to doubt his ability to tune.
I have hp tuners, ask your tuner to email you your tune and I'll gladly review it for you. Of course, I could be blowing smoke.
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08-01-2008, 05:28 PM
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^ he could..but he didnt, i sat there for 6 hrs today
and talked about how people are con artists and what
a shitty way to go through life. (lying/cheating)
we both laughed when the numbers read on the dyno and
said exactly what (ironically)you just said....bottom line
i dont want or need approval from any1, i just kept my word
and that means more to me than the dumping some are about
to do. so have a field day. i'll sleep good either way. will you?
then again it is a "truck motor" lol
and talked about how people are con artists and what
a shitty way to go through life. (lying/cheating)
we both laughed when the numbers read on the dyno and
said exactly what (ironically)you just said....bottom line
i dont want or need approval from any1, i just kept my word
and that means more to me than the dumping some are about
to do. so have a field day. i'll sleep good either way. will you?
then again it is a "truck motor" lol
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i saw post 13, but i thought you were just taking a jab at ohsix as continuation from the argument in the other thread...i didn't know that mustang dynos were so manipulatable.
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^ he could..but he didnt, i sat there for 6 hrs today
and talked about how people are con artists and what
a shitty way to go through life. (lying/cheating)
we both laughed when the numbers read on the dyno and
said exactly what (ironically)you just said....bottom line
i dont want or need approval from any1, i just kept my word
and that means more to me than the dumping some are about
to do. so have a field day. i'll sleep good either way. will you?
and talked about how people are con artists and what
a shitty way to go through life. (lying/cheating)
we both laughed when the numbers read on the dyno and
said exactly what (ironically)you just said....bottom line
i dont want or need approval from any1, i just kept my word
and that means more to me than the dumping some are about
to do. so have a field day. i'll sleep good either way. will you?
as you said, results vary from dyno to dyno, so i'm not knocking your results, just questioning their bizarre and unusual nature...trying to figure out what would cause such an odd reading.
08-01-2008, 05:38 PM
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^ he could..but he didnt, i sat there for 6 hrs today
and talked about how people are con artists and what
a shitty way to go through life. (lying/cheating)
we both laughed when the numbers read on the dyno and
said exactly what (ironically)you just said....bottom line
i dont want or need approval from any1, i just kept my word
and that means more to me than the dumping some are about
to do. so have a field day. i'll sleep good either way. will you?
then again it is a "truck motor" lol
and talked about how people are con artists and what
a shitty way to go through life. (lying/cheating)
we both laughed when the numbers read on the dyno and
said exactly what (ironically)you just said....bottom line
i dont want or need approval from any1, i just kept my word
and that means more to me than the dumping some are about
to do. so have a field day. i'll sleep good either way. will you?
then again it is a "truck motor" lol
I guess we will see how good you sleep if your engine let's go from that tune.........
Saying it's a truck motor means exactly what? I guess you could say that about almost every American V8 ever built, since most ended up powering trucks sooner or later.
08-01-2008, 05:50 PM
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i saw all the VE tables...i was there the whole time. car was doing back to back
runs befor me (07 ford mustang with cams getting dialed in ) i asked for a more agressive tune and he said he wouldnt do it. i was detonationg with 6 deg of retard in stock tune ( after i did mods exhaust,cai, ) my car was more likely to blow like that.
this guy sleeps ls2's and his work speaks for itself...what have you done?
go to his site, call him up, you wont,... cuz u know he'll talk u circles about what u think you know about tuning. read a book... help kids with aids...get off my dick. =}
runs befor me (07 ford mustang with cams getting dialed in ) i asked for a more agressive tune and he said he wouldnt do it. i was detonationg with 6 deg of retard in stock tune ( after i did mods exhaust,cai, ) my car was more likely to blow like that.
this guy sleeps ls2's and his work speaks for itself...what have you done?
go to his site, call him up, you wont,... cuz u know he'll talk u circles about what u think you know about tuning. read a book... help kids with aids...get off my dick. =}
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08-01-2008, 06:00 PM
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also, u see the knock at 4600rpm? he backed off the timeing from 19 to 17 and
adjusted that issue as well...as far as the truck comment, some of these guys refer to
the "ls2" as the truck motor...i said that in jest 4 those guys who hate the
"truckster"...but maybe it's a wendsday car...freaks happen...good car-ma
i guess. =)~ but yeah, i effin happy as a pig in sea weed. the drive home was
like humpin a stranger...fast and dirty. woot woot!
adjusted that issue as well...as far as the truck comment, some of these guys refer to
the "ls2" as the truck motor...i said that in jest 4 those guys who hate the
"truckster"...but maybe it's a wendsday car...freaks happen...good car-ma
i guess. =)~ but yeah, i effin happy as a pig in sea weed. the drive home was
like humpin a stranger...fast and dirty. woot woot!
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heres the dyno as promised ( 374rwhp/337 rwtq) car weight was
set at 4050 and made 2 pulls. i cant give a base line (stock)
as there was to much detonation to do a full pull. i'm glad i didnt
wait to get this done as the car was running very lean in stock
tune. my first pull was 359.9hp /330tq with first scan...
set at 4050 and made 2 pulls. i cant give a base line (stock)
as there was to much detonation to do a full pull. i'm glad i didnt
wait to get this done as the car was running very lean in stock
tune. my first pull was 359.9hp /330tq with first scan...
374? wow, that's more than what i made with my mods...your v must be the freak of all freaks...orrrrr something is off with the dyno. given that your tq is about where it should be given your mods (perhaps even a tad low) and your hp is suuuuuper high, it appears that something funky is going on with that dyno. i've never seen a near 40 difference between hp and tq on our cars.
maybe an expert can chime in and theorize a bit...
maybe an expert can chime in and theorize a bit...
If the OP reads his dyno chart, he would see the 1st dyno run was rich, the last one was lean. These cars are fat as hell from the factory. If your "tuner" left it at 14.0 A/F and you beat on it, it's going to let go. So you never heard it rattle before the "tune". Or did you actually hear it rattle on the dyno, or is that what the tuner told you? Did he show you the scan showing Knock Retard? Those rwhp numbers and A/F alone are reason enough to doubt his ability to tune.
Let's relax and not get ourself banned again, what do you think?
08-01-2008, 06:08 PM
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By the way, OHSIXCTSV, post you graph results here in the Dynamometer forum:
https://ls1tech.com/forums/dynamometer-results-comparisons-65/
https://ls1tech.com/forums/dynamometer-results-comparisons-65/
08-01-2008, 06:35 PM
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when it blows i'll buy u an ice cream...lol
again 6hrs sitting next to him
while he tuned, showing me all the knock and retard going on
every step of the way...with the last run he showed me the whole scan
and 0 deg of knock (zero retard)...at any point during 4th gear from start to
finish...
fat from factory???...i was leaner than a crack addict from adding an exhaust, but i hate repeating what is allready written above...
the only time he left me was when he did the street scan(when i got there, 1st thing he did) and said how bad it was detonating and there was alot of work to do.
well, 5 hrs later (he was programming the whole time) this was dialed in.
im happy, the car runs great, and the numbers it put down are the past.
i'm not gonna defend it any further. you guys go nuts. cause there is no way possible that any1 could tune a car and get these results. lmao!
the phone number is on the dyno sheet...ask for ed or bill
oh, and they also build custom twin/single turbo's for ANY car...u should
see thier work,...he fabricates all the sts systems himself, tuning is just a way to help build life long clients for thier shop. 800+hp gto's and he can't tune...bwaahahaha
again 6hrs sitting next to him
while he tuned, showing me all the knock and retard going on
every step of the way...with the last run he showed me the whole scan
and 0 deg of knock (zero retard)...at any point during 4th gear from start to
finish...
fat from factory???...i was leaner than a crack addict from adding an exhaust, but i hate repeating what is allready written above...
the only time he left me was when he did the street scan(when i got there, 1st thing he did) and said how bad it was detonating and there was alot of work to do.
well, 5 hrs later (he was programming the whole time) this was dialed in.
im happy, the car runs great, and the numbers it put down are the past.
i'm not gonna defend it any further. you guys go nuts. cause there is no way possible that any1 could tune a car and get these results. lmao!
the phone number is on the dyno sheet...ask for ed or bill
oh, and they also build custom twin/single turbo's for ANY car...u should
see thier work,...he fabricates all the sts systems himself, tuning is just a way to help build life long clients for thier shop. 800+hp gto's and he can't tune...bwaahahaha
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when it blows i'll buy u an ice cream...lol
again 6hrs sitting next to him
while he tuned, showing me all the knock and retard going on
every step of the way...with the last run he showed me the whole scan
and 0 deg of knock (zero retard)...at any point during 4th gear from start to
finish...
fat from factory???...i was leaner than a crack addict from adding an exhaust, but i hate repeating what is allready written above...
the only time he left me was when he did the street scan(when i got there, 1st thing he did) and said how bad it was detonating and there was alot of work to do.
well, 5 hrs later (he was programming the whole time) this was dialed in.
im happy, the car runs great, and the numbers it put down are the past.
i'm not gonna defend it any further. you guys go nuts. cause there is no way possible that any1 could tune a car and get these results. lmao!
the phone number is on the dyno sheet...ask for ed or bill
oh, and they also build custom twin/single turbo's for ANY car...u should
see thier work,...he fabricates all the sts systems himself, tuning is just a way to help build life long clients for thier shop. 800+hp gto's and he can't tune...bwaahahaha
again 6hrs sitting next to him
while he tuned, showing me all the knock and retard going on
every step of the way...with the last run he showed me the whole scan
and 0 deg of knock (zero retard)...at any point during 4th gear from start to
finish...
fat from factory???...i was leaner than a crack addict from adding an exhaust, but i hate repeating what is allready written above...
the only time he left me was when he did the street scan(when i got there, 1st thing he did) and said how bad it was detonating and there was alot of work to do.
well, 5 hrs later (he was programming the whole time) this was dialed in.
im happy, the car runs great, and the numbers it put down are the past.
i'm not gonna defend it any further. you guys go nuts. cause there is no way possible that any1 could tune a car and get these results. lmao!
the phone number is on the dyno sheet...ask for ed or bill
oh, and they also build custom twin/single turbo's for ANY car...u should
see thier work,...he fabricates all the sts systems himself, tuning is just a way to help build life long clients for thier shop. 800+hp gto's and he can't tune...bwaahahaha
08-01-2008, 07:02 PM
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those crooks...lol
lean as hell with no knock...yep yep...11.6 is'nt fat it's big boned.
go drive ur 369hp goat around town hot shot...
i can tell u fear them...thats good for you to
be so worried about your insecurities...enjoy ur weekend.
guy wants the tune file so he can try to figure out what
he's doing wrong. what i know...u must ponder silly man.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=enYxUNlXXNs
100k view...what do u build???
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DjzZPezIp-4
^hey look at the bums tuning the gto on the same dyno i was on today...a yr l8ter and that car has been sold 5x and still runs strong. lol
lean as hell with no knock...yep yep...11.6 is'nt fat it's big boned.
go drive ur 369hp goat around town hot shot...
i can tell u fear them...thats good for you to
be so worried about your insecurities...enjoy ur weekend.
guy wants the tune file so he can try to figure out what
he's doing wrong. what i know...u must ponder silly man.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=enYxUNlXXNs
100k view...what do u build???
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DjzZPezIp-4
^hey look at the bums tuning the gto on the same dyno i was on today...a yr l8ter and that car has been sold 5x and still runs strong. lol
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those crooks...lol
lean as hell with no knock...yep yep...11.6 isnt fat.
go drive ur 369hp goat around town hot shot...
i can tell u fear them...thats good for you to
be so worried about your insecurities...enjoy ur weekend.
guy wants the tune file so he can try to figure out what
he's doing wrong. what i know...u must ponder silly man.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=enYxUNlXXNs
100k view...what do u build???
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DjzZPezIp-4
^hey look at the bums tuning the gto on the same dyno i was on today...a yr l8ter and that car has been sold 5x and still runs strong. lol
lean as hell with no knock...yep yep...11.6 isnt fat.
go drive ur 369hp goat around town hot shot...
i can tell u fear them...thats good for you to
be so worried about your insecurities...enjoy ur weekend.
guy wants the tune file so he can try to figure out what
he's doing wrong. what i know...u must ponder silly man.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=enYxUNlXXNs
100k view...what do u build???
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DjzZPezIp-4
^hey look at the bums tuning the gto on the same dyno i was on today...a yr l8ter and that car has been sold 5x and still runs strong. lol
Please get me that tune file so I can set my car up with a 14.1 A/F.
08-02-2008, 12:22 AM
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My point is that 2c5s probably knows enough about tuning that he could put your car on a dyno and pull off a decent bolt on tune in 6 hours. And believe when I say I'm not sticking up for him, I really don't like him one bit. Just putting that out there. I know how you like to slam people, just isn't necessary in this case. NEXT!
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08-02-2008, 09:09 AM
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Don't want to really get into the middle here, but 374 rwhp on a Mustang dyno with an LS2 having those mods seems a bit high even with the motor running optimally at WOT, MBT (with no spark knock), and LBT at all RPMs. Even on a DynoJet that would be on the very high end, IMHO.
Not sure how a tuner can manipulate a dyno reading unless he/she purposely falsifies the calibration. Certainly if this is common in the industry, dyno-to-dyno comparisons are worthless as many others have contended in numerous other threads here and elsewhere.
If that 374 figure is good (i.e. can be taken as an absolute with proper dyno set up procedure and all), then that is one keeper of a car.
Not sure how a tuner can manipulate a dyno reading unless he/she purposely falsifies the calibration. Certainly if this is common in the industry, dyno-to-dyno comparisons are worthless as many others have contended in numerous other threads here and elsewhere.
If that 374 figure is good (i.e. can be taken as an absolute with proper dyno set up procedure and all), then that is one keeper of a car.