Ontario Emissions Testing
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Ontario Emissions Testing Hey guys,
I have a 98 Trans Am with magnaflow catback, and I'm thinking of putting pacesetter longtubes with a custom ypipe with flowmaster merge and then a magnaflow hi-flow cat converter before the catback.
I plan on deleting the egr and air when installing the longtubes. Once everything is installed I plan on getting the car dyno tuned and tuning out the egr air and rear o2 sensors.
Do the new e-tests just look at the computer for codes, instead of running the car. Will my car pass with the mods above? Will the car throw codes with this set-up? What do you guys think?
I have a 98 Trans Am with magnaflow catback, and I'm thinking of putting pacesetter longtubes with a custom ypipe with flowmaster merge and then a magnaflow hi-flow cat converter before the catback.
I plan on deleting the egr and air when installing the longtubes. Once everything is installed I plan on getting the car dyno tuned and tuning out the egr air and rear o2 sensors.
Do the new e-tests just look at the computer for codes, instead of running the car. Will my car pass with the mods above? Will the car throw codes with this set-up? What do you guys think?
You have a 98, so they would be looking for codes. I don't think they even run the cars if they are obd2.
97 and older cars require a 2 step ... idle, and at 2500 rpm in park. No rollers.
97 and older cars require a 2 step ... idle, and at 2500 rpm in park. No rollers.
Hey guys,
I have a 98 Trans Am with magnaflow catback, and I'm thinking of putting pacesetter longtubes with a custom ypipe with flowmaster merge and then a magnaflow hi-flow cat converter before the catback.
I plan on deleting the egr and air when installing the longtubes. Once everything is installed I plan on getting the car dyno tuned and tuning out the egr air and rear o2 sensors.
Do the new e-tests just look at the computer for codes, instead of running the car. Will my car pass with the mods above? Will the car throw codes with this set-up? What do you guys think?
I have a 98 Trans Am with magnaflow catback, and I'm thinking of putting pacesetter longtubes with a custom ypipe with flowmaster merge and then a magnaflow hi-flow cat converter before the catback.
I plan on deleting the egr and air when installing the longtubes. Once everything is installed I plan on getting the car dyno tuned and tuning out the egr air and rear o2 sensors.
Do the new e-tests just look at the computer for codes, instead of running the car. Will my car pass with the mods above? Will the car throw codes with this set-up? What do you guys think?
The OBDII testing is looking to see if the monitors have run. With a 98, you are allowed 2 of them to be "not ready". I'm not sure how eliminating code thresholds jives with how a PCM runs monitors, but if someone knows, I would like to know how this can be done.
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What do you do with hp tuners to make the car pass?
When I was looking to buy a Trans Am, there was a 00 Firehawk with head/cam and full exhaust with no cats and he passed. I thought he bought his pass but I guess it didn't take much at all, lol. The only other concern I would have is if I drag a Cayuga and they do a random check when everyone leaves. I heard of that happening.
When I was looking to buy a Trans Am, there was a 00 Firehawk with head/cam and full exhaust with no cats and he passed. I thought he bought his pass but I guess it didn't take much at all, lol. The only other concern I would have is if I drag a Cayuga and they do a random check when everyone leaves. I heard of that happening.
What do you do with hp tuners to make the car pass?
When I was looking to buy a Trans Am, there was a 00 Firehawk with head/cam and full exhaust with no cats and he passed. I thought he bought his pass but I guess it didn't take much at all, lol. The only other concern I would have is if I drag a Cayuga and they do a random check when everyone leaves. I heard of that happening.
When I was looking to buy a Trans Am, there was a 00 Firehawk with head/cam and full exhaust with no cats and he passed. I thought he bought his pass but I guess it didn't take much at all, lol. The only other concern I would have is if I drag a Cayuga and they do a random check when everyone leaves. I heard of that happening.
1. Relevant part isnt there / malfunctioning
2. You unplug or replace the battery (then you need to complete a drive cycle)
3. You Flash in a new tune (again, need to complete a drive cycle to re ready monitors
4. You erase a DTC code (again you need to complete a cycle)
When MOE pulls guys over and do random spot tests they are doing visual inspections for emissions equipment. They can't say you fail emissions on the spot because your readiness sensors aren't showing as complete, an easy rebuttle to that is I left my lights on and my car died and my buddy just gave me a boost 5 minutes ago. They also can't give you a ticket for having any engine lights on as they have no idea when those lights came on in the vehicle (although when you do go for an actual emissions test, that light can't be on)
Now, as for actually forcing your readiness monitors on without doing a drive cycle (and forcing them to read as ready even if certain parts aren't plugged in or installed) You would do this:
Setting Readiness sensors to a ready state
of course, I encourage you to be a law abiding citizen and that information is for educational purposes only.
Last edited by LETZRIDE; Apr 9, 2014 at 10:53 PM.
This is correct. The 2 speed idle test is easy to rig up and pass, but I'm not so sure on the OBDII.
The OBDII testing is looking to see if the monitors have run. With a 98, you are allowed 2 of them to be "not ready". I'm not sure how eliminating code thresholds jives with how a PCM runs monitors, but if someone knows, I would like to know how this can be done.
The OBDII testing is looking to see if the monitors have run. With a 98, you are allowed 2 of them to be "not ready". I'm not sure how eliminating code thresholds jives with how a PCM runs monitors, but if someone knows, I would like to know how this can be done.
You'd be hard pressed to find anyone to cheat it for you right now. The only way around it at this point if you don't have OBD2 is to hit the repair limit. You need to go to a shop that tests the vehicle, fail it, pay them to diagnose it, wait for them to hit the $$ limit, or say that the car is over the $$ limit to repair in order for it to pass. Once that happens, they run it again, fail it, and you recieve a conditional pass.
Conditional passes suck
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With the old two step test I couldn't get my 2000 SS to pass -- it's a full bolt-on car and tuned. Ran a little over on the HC test at speed if I recall correctly. I did every trick (methyl alcohol, changed the tune, got it really hot, etc.) I think it was my Magna-flow mini-cats but never really knew for sure. I used a conditional pass two different times.
Last year I took it back to the same garage for the new OBDII test. My mechanic came out of the back laughing like crazy as now it passes without any issue whatsoever. As long as you don't have any trouble codes or warning indicators it will pass. As stated above though, if you do anything to reset the ECM it will not have enough data in the controller to pass. Had to take my daughters G6 back after replacing an emission sensor. When they reset the check engine light that erased the data and the new test came back with a not ready fail I think.
Last year I took it back to the same garage for the new OBDII test. My mechanic came out of the back laughing like crazy as now it passes without any issue whatsoever. As long as you don't have any trouble codes or warning indicators it will pass. As stated above though, if you do anything to reset the ECM it will not have enough data in the controller to pass. Had to take my daughters G6 back after replacing an emission sensor. When they reset the check engine light that erased the data and the new test came back with a not ready fail I think.
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