Bluepitt

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OK,,, so after 3 days finally got the dashboard to tune seems way better than MSD.. ill take picks and link once figured out!!!!

S10xGN

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For double the price, it oughta be better! Sorry for your troubles, my old 6010 has been kicking since '09...

ZONES89RS

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09? Think the first one I got for a friend was 2007 and the one from my 89 RS is in the mustang from 2008.

Bluepitt

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With my account it winds up being around $400.00 so not that bad.

The stunningman

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I had starting problems on a motor that I thought was the MSD. It turned out to be a bent crankshaft (.004 out). It was hard to spin fast enough to start. A Rock 16volt battery would crank it every time with a stock truck starter. The battery I bought has 3 lugs 16v 12 v and ground. Another poster had the same problem your describing and he got a older box and it fired every time. He tried 2 new boxes and they wouldn't start it.

Bluepitt

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We looked in to that as well specked the reluctor with a dial and dead on, Ill bet the older boxes would work, but the guy at MSD said "It was not designed for high compression race engines." lol It just sucks because now with any box im worried that in the middle of the race its going to die..lol
I know a lot of the straight line guys are running some mean stuff, but im running 5500 to 8100rpm for over 20 laps 1/2mile tracks as well. If these boxes wont cut it ill have to go magie and that ugly front dist cover!!lol

LS1-450

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What does "seems way better" mean? Based on its' ability to start the engine? Have I miss-understood the statement?

Am going w/ the Daytona Sensors Smart Spark due to its' reasonable price & tuning options over the MSD. Since swapping from programmable EFI to carb we lost the ability to dial in specific MAP timing through the RPM range. Our MSD 6010 works fine & fires up 12:1 SCR, 8.6 DCR using a lightweight race battery.

Will be a couple or even a few months before we can get one & will be studying alternatives in the mean time.

Shane Porter

Do pro comp (China ? ) make the speedmaster controller ?
Are they resin filled like the msd and Daytona units ?
Do you have any figures for the preselected advance curves ?

Bluepitt

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As far as "Seems" way better I was referring to the directions and the map options. They help you understand the timing curve and tuning process in their directions a little more than MSD. With this box I can get the 58x harness and swap them out if my other engine is not a 24X no need to get another box, also tune able to 12,000rpm where the MSD says 7500rpm. I am in no way vouching for this box yet!!! LOL But I am super happy so far. That's not to say this thing wont take a crap on me.. the harness is the exact same as the MSD and I do mean exact same writing on the coils, cam and crank plug. (except the MAP ports and box plug) we will see I will keep you posted if you want the install instructions and other info please PM me your email and ill forward it to you.

Bluepitt

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here are some cutaways from the instructions there are picks as well but cant paste them. The spark is cells like HP tuners seems more tunable than MSD's.



MAP SENSOR PINOUT
A = Ground (pin #15 on main connector or directly to battery ground)
B = MAP signal output (pin #19 on main connector)
C = 5V (pin #1 on main connector)

This pinout is the same for 1,2,3 and 4 bar MAP sensors from GM.




Use the 3-pin GREEN connector for 1-BAR MAP sensors and the 3-pin ORANGE connector for 2-3-4 BAR MAP sensors.

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24x PRESET TIMING CURVE
#1 #1 #2 #2 #3 #3 #4 #4 #5 #5 #6 #6
RPM DEG RPM DEG RPM DEG RPM DEG RPM DEG RPM DEG
0 12 0 12 0 12 0 15 0 15 0 22
1000 20 1000 22 500 20 1000 28 800 30 800 32
2000 26 1700 27 1700 28 2000 29 2000 32 4500 32
4200 33 4300 29 4300 29 4300 29 4200 34 6700 36
6000 35 6000 36 6000 36 6000 36 6000 36 6800 36
6100 35 6100 36 6100 36 6100 36 6100 36 6900 36



58x PRESET TIMING CURVE
#1 #1 #2 #2 #3 #3 #4 #4 #5 #5 #6 #6
RPM DEG RPM DEG RPM DEG RPM DEG RPM DEG RPM DEG
0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 2 0 4
1000 4 1000 4 1000 4 1000 4 1000 6 1000 8
2000 14 2000 16 2000 18 2000 20 2000 22 2000 24
3500 15 3500 17 3500 19 3500 21 3500 23 3500 25
5000 10 5000 12 5000 14 5000 16 5000 18 5000 20
6000 13 6000 15 6000 17 6000 19 6000 21 6000 23

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USING THE LSx DASHBOARD TO CREATE USER 24X AND 58X TIMING MAPS
In order to create a custom timing map you must use the LSx dashboard software.

⦁ Start by double clicking on the LSx dashboard desktop icon (be sure the LSx spark controller is plugged in, powered up and the serial cable connected)
⦁ The dashboard will automatically check for connection and if found will show “connected”



⦁ To setup up a new file, select [Setup, Main setup]
⦁ Start by entering the MAP range. MAP range is from 20Kpa to 400Kpa. Press “Send” to save.
⦁ Next enter the rpm range. RPM range is from 550 to 12500 RPM. Press “Send” to save.
⦁ Next enter the rev limit and two-step rev limit (if used). Also be sure to select the MAP sensor type 1-4 BAR or “0” to disable MAP sensor. Press “Send” to save.

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⦁ After the setup page has been set, select [Edit, Spark Table] Each cell can be changed individually or using the mouse, hold the first button and select a cell then drag the mouse to highlight the area you want to edit. You can then add, sub, multiply and divide the selected area or fill the entire area with a set value. Value ranges are from 0-deg to 55-deg.
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⦁ To view a short history of RPM, timing, MAP or battery voltage select [View, Histogram] this will allow you to view approx. the last 10 seconds of data history.

jimib

Fired up the roots blown alcohol motor today with the MSD 6010. I followed others advice. I ran 4ga ground from head to head, ran 4gauge ground from that to a bellhousing bolt. From that ran 4 gauge to the dyno stand ground, and also from there ran the msd box ground, and a similar ga from that bolt straight from the battery. We have a 24x reluctor. 12:1 comp ratio, 8-71 blower (takes a 1/2" breaker bar to spin) on Methanol (hard to start). Fired first hit. Phew. I sweating bullits about this. We do run a 16 volt battery on the dyno.

Bluepitt

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You lucky Dog!!1 I ran 100 grounds and everything 0(wins) for 2(Boxes) lol
I can only use one starter (quartermaster reverse mount) and all the pumps are ran off the rear bell housing. so I don't think it can turn fast enough. it sparked with out all the plugs in but once we put 3 plugs in no spark..lol
We are about 13.9.1 in truth just don't think the starter has the umph.. But if you watch the vid its spinning quite fast? IDK but sounds like you have a killer setup!!

3pedals

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I'm interesed to learn more about the speedmaster ignition.

Bluepitt

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LOL so am I haha we will be messing around with it this week and ill post as we go!!

redline2k

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I would switch to the daytona sensors box. pm me if you need some info.

3pedals

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Honestly, I think using Holley HP efi as the ignition controller, is the way to go. Even if you stay carb'd.
yes cost more, but gives you SO much more control, and also Datalogging.
And converting to efi would be easy from there.

ZONES89RS

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Was going to use the Holley HP, but the dominator is in my future. Just because of the extra input and output ability. You can control a auto with it but I run manual or manually controlled automatics.

The stunningman

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You are the only person I have read about using the speedmaster box. These people are heavily advertising them as my email is even getting updates. Keep us carb guys in the loop on how it goes. Positives... negatives... Whatever... Real world experience with the item is important. Especially at $650.00 Thanks.

Bluepitt

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Well it fires up every time on curve timing setting 2. we haven't tuned yet because we are trying to figure out some breather issues and alt issues..lol
but will be tuning next week with some luck!! She is just sitting in the middle bay right now while we figure out those issues and do some valve adjustments!! lol

Shane Porter

http://www.coloradospeed.com/buyer-b...er-ezp-88.html

The harnesses look identical too the MSD ?
Perhaps the same Chinese factory ?
The harness is often the reason people think their MSD's are broken. ...... just wondering.